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Last Conformist is offline Last Conformist
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It just occured to me that I can't think of a single story about an Iraqi woman getting raped by an American soldier during the invasion and occupation of the Promised Land of WMD. Clearly, this is a serious breach of military tradition.

So, what gives? Media suppression of such stories? Too much oestrogen in the tap water? Brainwashing? Epidemic of decency?

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...I thought we heard horror stories about Abu Ghraib?

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Only men raped there, AFAIK.

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I got any number of responses to this:

the US forces kills them before they get the chance to rape them

iraqi women not hot enough

US soldiers all gay and sexing each other

US soldiers all gay and raping the men (as seen on ABU GHARAB SPICE CHANNEL)

not enough troops to rape



pick one!

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Well, aren't you splitting hairs here? I thought that in prisons, whoever was being f*cked was the "woman"/b*itch/wife/etc?

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Yeah, not even private Jessica lived up to the colourful expectations. I remember MTG wishing she was dead, in order to save her from something even worse.

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Well, aren't you splitting hairs here? I thought that in prisons, whoever was being f*cked was the "woman"/b*itch/wife/etc?

I don't have personal experience of prison sexuality, but I don't see how rapes on men makes the apparent lack of rapes on women any less remarkable.

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Having seen footage of some of the proud daughters of Iraq, I think it's probably much like in Life of Brian,

- You mean you were raped!?
- Well, at first.. yeah..

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Maybe they're all wearing these?

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There are complaints of female detaines being raped.

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There are complaints of female detaines being raped.
Well, that's reassuring.

Sure isn't drawing too much attention, tho.

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OMFG!

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Well, that's reassuring.

Sure isn't drawing too much attention, tho.


There aren't that many female detainees.

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KING HENRY V

How yet resolves the governor of the town?
This is the latest parle we will admit;
Therefore to our best mercy give yourselves;
Or like to men proud of destruction
Defy us to our worst: for, as I am a soldier,
A name that in my thoughts becomes me best,
If I begin the battery once again,
I will not leave the half-achieved Harfleur
Till in her ashes she lie buried.
The gates of mercy shall be all shut up,
And the flesh'd soldier, rough and hard of heart,
In liberty of bloody hand shall range
With conscience wide as hell, mowing like grass
Your fresh-fair virgins and your flowering infants.
What is it then to me, if impious war,
Array'd in flames like to the prince of fiends,
Do, with his smirch'd complexion, all fell feats
Enlink'd to waste and desolation?
What is't to me, when you yourselves are cause,
If your pure maidens fall into the hand
Of hot and forcing violation?
What rein can hold licentious wickedness
When down the hill he holds his fierce career?
We may as bootless spend our vain command
Upon the enraged soldiers in their spoil
As send precepts to the leviathan
To come ashore. Therefore, you men of Harfleur,
Take pity of your town and of your people,
Whiles yet my soldiers are in my command;
Whiles yet the cool and temperate wind of grace
O'erblows the filthy and contagious clouds
Of heady murder, spoil and villany.
If not, why, in a moment look to see
The blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
Defile the locks of your shrill-shrieking daughters;
Your fathers taken by the silver beards,
And their most reverend heads dash'd to the walls,
Your naked infants spitted upon pikes,
Whiles the mad mothers with their howls confused
Do break the clouds, as did the wives of Jewry
At Herod's bloody-hunting slaughtermen.
What say you? will you yield, and this avoid,
Or, guilty in defence, be thus destroy'd?

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My guess is that the threat of it no longer has any beneficial impact for the attacker. Therefore, it is not used in many places as a tool of war.

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It's more useful in civil war and other low intensity conflicts. It is a rather serious crime for American servicemen, which is why we don't hear too much about it on our part. During the Russian Civil War, the accusation of rape was enough to get you executed in the Red Army, but during WWII, rape was a weapon of terror and revenge used by the Red Army in German territories.

There was a lot of rape in Vietnam, but our military has become far more professional since. Our proxies, however, are under no such constrictions. Our Contra Army in Nicaragua, for example, engaged in rape as a weapon of terror.

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Much like rape in civilian life, I can probably guarantee that it's happened. It just goes unreported. Do not forget, Iraqi society is very much a shame culture. For an Iraqi woman to come forward to accuse an American soldier means certain disownership by her family, with only a slight benefit of justice being granted. And the latter is hardly guaranteed.

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Muslim women reporting of being raped in muslim countries are often killed by their own family members

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Muslim women reporting of being raped in muslim countries are often killed by their own family members
I should have thought of the whole honour angle.

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I feel so important

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I feel so important

I was already in a good mood after finding a pair of jeans that make my butt look so good. But it´s improving

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Much like rape in civilian life, I can probably guarantee that it's happened. It just goes unreported. Do not forget, Iraqi society is very much a shame culture. For an Iraqi woman to come forward to accuse an American soldier means certain disownership by her family, with only a slight benefit of justice being granted. And the latter is hardly guaranteed.


Disownership?

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Perhaps the US Army is not the vehicle of the devil after all.

No, that can't be it. Lets just assume that they are doing it anyways without evidence, like most atrocities commited by the US Army.

EDIT: That is in response to MOBIUS

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No it's because everyone else does it, but Americans are better people than that and we should never believe anything bad has happened.

Seems to me everyone has different opinion about this and everyone is wrong. Rapes happen. Period. In this conflict, there are no serial work and ordered organized raping, more like individual cases that are always there, but that's no reason to make a big buzz.

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Rapes happen. Period. In this conflict, there are no serial work and ordered organized raping, more like individual cases that are always there, but that's no reason to make a big buzz.


There is not even evidence of that, which is why the thread was started. But OBVIOUSLY it MUST be going on, so lets just assume it.

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