06-09-2005 10:48									#1
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Status (from last turn)
Government currently in: Despotism
Current research: Iron Working; 137 beakers towards IW; 43 of 180 left to research; turn 25 of 31[?], estimated ToC turn 32 (2510BC).
Treasury: 2 gold
Cashflow: +1 gpt

Pre-Turn Actions
None

Military Orders
Military Units:

Enkidu Warriors
Enk#1 Dumuzi the Shepard - healed [??move 3 or move 2 if Barb not there or attack barb?? 3 would be best with uncertanties - E_T]
Enk#2 Geshtinanna - healed [move 1 - E_T]
Enk#3 Ziusudra - investigate hut? [see follow on post - E_T]
Enk#4 Kur - Fortified in Apolyton

Domestic Orders

Workers:
Mr. Rush Job - Move 9-9 (to Apo WF #2) and start Mining (6 worker turn to complete).
Million Dollar Worker - Mine at Apo WF #6 built, worker frozen.

Settlers:
T-1

Cities:
Apolyton (grows this turn) - Starting WF ??3??-4-5-6-11-17. Change WF to 4-5-6-10-11-17

Builds:
Apolyton - building Settler (turn 3 of 3 scheduled).

Other Domestic
Slider - 00/70/30. run down the amount of gold we have. Set it so that we end the turn with 0g in the treasury. We need to do this to get IW on time - Krill

Diplomacy to be done
Reply to CBR underway
consider ramifications of CDZ news


Any other things to be done

Last edited by Krill on 11-09-2005 at 03:05

	07-09-2005 10:55									#2
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If we head to the hut, directly, we will still have a settler at large:

Turn 26: Settler build at 2 of 3, EW 1 turn away from Hut.
Turn 27: Settler built, moving to site. EW pops hut.

At thig point in time, we CAN NOT afford (due to all others having their first city already settled) to delay the settler another turn. Settler will be in transit from 2 to 3 turns (founding on 2nd or 3rd). We will also have the next settler very shortly afterwards, if not same time.

So, we either head to it directly and pop it now or we bypass it and hope that someone else doesn't get it.

E_T

	07-09-2005 11:25									#3
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we may change production just before we pop the hut and return back to settler after this. How many shields would we have at that moment accumulated?

	07-09-2005 11:27									#4
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enough. Can't be done. will be built before we can change anything.

E_T

	07-09-2005 11:35									#5
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What if we delay the Enk?

Move adjacent next turn. Following turn setter is built and moves to 8-9, Enk pauses. Third turn settler builds city then Enk pops hut.

We will still be at or under city average to get free settler. We would lose 1 turn of Enk exploration time.

Worth it?

	07-09-2005 11:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What if we delay the Enk? Move adjacent next turn. Following turn setter is built and moves to 8-9, Enk pauses. Third turn settler builds city then Enk pops hut. We will still be at or under city average to get free settler. We would lose 1 turn of Enk exploration time. Worth it?

In a nut shell, yes.

	07-09-2005 12:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What if we delay the Enk? Move adjacent next turn. Following turn setter is built and moves to 8-9, Enk pauses. Third turn settler builds city then Enk pops hut. We will still be at or under city average to get free settler. We would lose 1 turn of Enk exploration time. Worth it?

I really don't think that the timing will allow us to do thid, but we can try.

I'm just not going to hold my breath for this.

Also, for consideration: That EW is exporing surrounding territory. With our Settler pump coming online very, very soon, we NEED to get as much uncovered as possible, for us to get our city sites set, as soon as possible.

It's Crunch time, can we afford losing that capability, at this time??

E_T

	07-09-2005 13:35									#8
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take the hut as fast as possible.

with every turn the chance get higher that someother take the hut - better we do as some1 other.

And whatever we get will usefull, barbs for example too:
option to get elite => who would trigger a enemy ga on a elite unit...ok some would do but not much.
option that they kill other explorers
option to see fast more and find maybe a nother hut as well, which we wouldn't if we wait.

	07-09-2005 14:12									#9
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actually triggering GA with elite defensive units is more sure than non-elites because the chance to kill them is lower. If the UU survives it is counted as a winner and the GA will start

	07-09-2005 16:04									#10
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What if Ziusudra moves 9, onto the mountain and then 32, onto the hut? We would build the new city the turn that we pop the hut, so we would not have a settler and still be below the average # of cities.

	07-09-2005 17:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ormuzd actually triggering GA with elite defensive units is more sure than non-elites because the chance to kill them is lower. If the UU survives it is counted as a winner and the GA will start

I think sirleif is refering that attacking an elite unit, in the hope of losing and starting our GA, will also gives us a chance of a Great Leader.

	07-09-2005 17:30									#12
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i think it is not worth to delay our exploration as the chance for a settler is not even 10%

	07-09-2005 21:09									#13
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When do barb camps start to appear?

	11-09-2005 03:01									#14
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Set slider to 0/7/3, to add as much gold to the research as possible, to make certain that we get IW asap

And the save:

Attachment: isdgf_026d_cbr.sav
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	11-09-2005 03:05									#15
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Also, we can move Enk "Ziu" 9 , and still get to the goody hut before CBR, and pop the hut after settling our new city.

	11-09-2005 05:33									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Krill Also, we can move Enk "Ziu" 9 , and still get to the goody hut before CBR, and pop the hut after settling our new city.

Hmm, we don't see every tile around the hut.
There can be other units close too.

No risk - get the hut as fast as possible bevore some1 other can.

Ziusudra=>3 or 6 and next turn take the hut..if it still exist.

	11-09-2005 05:47									#17
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One small problem...

CBR has not accepted the treaty yet (we have heard nothing AFAIK). They have put Alphabet on the table. We are to put BW on the table and accept.

We would be fools to do that prior to them accepting the treaty with the nt clause. Or would we?

Should we delay playing the turn and take the full 24?

	11-09-2005 06:09									#18
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither One small problem... CBR has not accepted the treaty yet (we have heard nothing AFAIK). They have put Alphabet on the table. We are to put BW on the table and accept. We would be fools to do that prior to them accepting the treaty with the nt clause. Or would we? Should we delay playing the turn and take the full 24?

let us set bw against aplha without accept and send them a mail - depending on treaty. The trade can only be done after treaty.

nt clause =? "nt" stand for?

	11-09-2005 06:14									#19
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nt = no trade. They can't trade our BW on.

	11-09-2005 08:56									#20
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We need to be sure that the No Retrade Clause part is accepted. They have contact with CDZ, we don't want them to retrade it to them and lose our tech advantage.

E_T

	11-09-2005 10:20									#21
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Agreed. For how long we can sit on the save?

	11-09-2005 10:52									#22
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24 hrs is fine; more than that we'd need a better reason.

I'd go along with the trade because it is going along with what we discussed and then proposed, officially, to CBR.

	11-09-2005 12:00									#23
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And it might be a show of good faith if we continue along with it. Heck sending bronze working accepted says "Hey, we know that you're a bunch of cheaters and don't know why we're ignoring history, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt!"

	11-09-2005 17:21									#24
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quote: Originally posted by RegentMan And it might be a show of good faith if we continue along with it. Heck sending bronze working accepted says "Hey, we know that you're a bunch of cheaters and don't know why we're ignoring history, but we'll give you the benefit of the doubt!"

But we can't tell them that we already know that...

	12-09-2005 02:36									#25
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Results:
Begin Turn:
CBR has sent Alphabet, unaccepted. Put BW on the table and send, unaccepted.

Actions:
Units:
E1 Dumuzi the Shepherd moves 3
E2 Geshtinanna moves 1
E3 Ziusudra. moves 2
E4 Kur. Fortified in Apolyton


Worker Jobs:
W1 Mr. Rush Job, mine complete, moves 9-9-9
W2 Million Dollar Worker, mine complete, frozen

Economy:
Work Force:
Apolyton grow to Size 6 - WF to 4-5-6-10-11-17. 10spt, +5fpt. Grows in 2

Builds:
Apolyton - Settler (3 of 4[3])

Slider:
Slider to 0/70/30 (tax/sci/lux)
Researching Iron Working, 138 of 180 [can't be; 7bpt is 7 turns, 4bpt is 11 turns; we are at 136 or 137], 6t, +8 to 144 or 145
Treasury: 3g
CashFlow: -3gpt

Demographics:

code:
Approval        50%, 3
Population  220,000, 1
GNP          12 mil, 4 -1
MnfGoods    10 mton, 2
LandArea    2100m^2, 6
Literacy         0%, 1
Disease          0%, 1
Pollution    0 tons, 1
LifeExp    46 years, 1
FamilySz    2 child, 1
MilService  6 years, 4 -1
AnnualIncome  1/cap, 2
Productivity     27, 4

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%of world area    1.     Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 1  
%of world pop    17, nc  Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 11, +1
1 city culture   31, +2, Apolyton; Top rival, Laranja Verde 31, +2
Civ culture      31, +2, Top rival, Civ3 Brazil 31, +2

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Military vs:
Civ3 brazil, Average. nc

Images:

Last edited by notyoueither on 12-09-2005 at 02:56

	12-09-2005 12:54									#26
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This turn assessment. Changes in Bold

Population 220000 - 1st. (still 1st).
Population Ranking as follow :

1st - Poly (Apolytion Pop 5 to 6, +5 food, Granary completed in 2850BC),
2nd - CDZ (Beyond P Pop 4 to 5, +5 food. 2nd city (built 3150BC) Pop 2 to 3, +5 food. Neighbour to CBR !)
3rd to 5th
CGN (Invictus Pop 4. 2nd city (founded in 2950BC) Pop 2 to 3).
PAL (Capital Pop 4, Built Granary in 3100BC. 2nd City (founded in 2800BC) Pop 1)
BAT (Delhi Pop 3 to 4, Built Granary in 3100BC . 2nd City (founded 2850BC) Pop 1)
6th - CBR (Pop 2, +4 food, 2nd City (founded in 3100BC) Pop 1 to 2, +3 food. Produced Settler last turn. Likely to be escorted by 1 of their 5 Warriors )

Ormuzd, I changed the Pop chart again. PAL can't possibly add Pop in consecutive turns. With all these new settlers/cities, it's becoming very hard to track city sizes.

City Size Analysis as follow :


GNP 12m = 4th. (GNP +1, position from 3rd to 4th)
This turn. >13, >13, 13, 12 (Poly), 12, 11
Last turn. >12, 12, 11 (Poly), 11, 11, 10
Population increased by 1, GNP increased by 1m, but ranking dropped. CDZ, BAT, CGN, CBR all had population increases.

Mfg Goods 10 megatons - 2nd (Mfg +2, position remained 2nd)
This turn order. >11, 10 (Poly), 10, 9, 8, 7
Last turn order. >10, 8 (Poly), 8, 8, 8, 6
CDZ, BAT, CGN, CBR all had population increases.

Productivity 27 = 4th. (Productivity +3, position remained 4th)
This turn order. >27, >27, >27, 27 (Poly), 27, 25
Last turn order. >24, >24, >24, 24 (Poly), 24, 24
We lost out on Productivity because others had 2 cities. CBR is likely to be last as their settler had not found a city this turn.

CBR Intelligence
1. CBR found Laranja Verde in 4000BC. From 4000BC to 3500BC, LV produced 3 Warriors and grew at +4 Food per turn.
2. From 3500BC to 3200BC, LV produced Settler. It's still at +4 Food per turn.
3. From 3250BC to 3000BC (Current), LV seem to have improved to +5 Food per turn !
4. CBR is now military average (F2) to us. Even if i fortified all our Warriors, we can't get back to strong vs them. They should have 5 warriors (2 veterans, 3 regulars).
5. CBR produced another Settler in 2800BC.




Technology
No change. CBR has Alphabet, CB. We can sell them Bronze Working

Luxury
One team connected a luxury in 2850BC.