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Brundlefly is offline Brundlefly
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During the Friday night telethon to raise aid for Hurricane Katrina, Comedian Mike Myers was paired with West for a 90-second segment that began with Myers speaking of Katrina's devastation. Then, to Myers' evident surprise, West began a rant by saying, "I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food."

While allowing that "the Red Cross is doing everything they can," West, who delivered an emotional outburst at the American Music Awards after he was snubbed for an award, declared that government authorities are intentionally dragging their feet on aid to the Gulf Coast. Without getting specific, he added, "They've given them permission to go down and shoot us."

After he stated, "George Bush doesn't care about black people," the camera cut away to comedian Chris Tucker.

Was Kanye "keepin it real" or was he grandstanding for the purpose of boosting his own street reputation?

Personally, I can't see that the fed's response or lack therof has anything to do with race. The fact that New Orleans is 80% black is why Kanye sees shots of black folks looting. Is a TV station supposed to wait until they get footage of white folks looting before they report that looting has occurred?

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Who is Kanye West?

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Kanye is a rapper aka a gangster. It seems they spend most of their free time trying to knock off the competition.

Actually Kanye's lyrics on his last album are very "god" oriented, some might say religous. Which makes his statements even more disturbing. I heard it live and couldnt believe my ears.....this African American(because no other term seems to be PC these days) complaining about racism in this country when his last album went 2 times platinum. This country gave him an opportunity to be richer than I will ever be. So dont use a national disaster as a platform for your own personal agendas. The show was to raise money for these people, thats it! Also, no one is mentioning MISS. where alot of WHITE people are just as hungry. The goverment f'ukd up, plain and simple. As far as the media coverage.....lets be realistic. There are no european gangs in NO, therefore its hard to report on the white crips shooting at helicopters. Families of all colors are suffering, and we all know that.

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Racism? Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinconceivable!

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Kanye is a rapper aka a gangster. It seems they spend most of their free time trying to knock off the competition.


Kanye West is no gangsta. He's a suburban kid who's never hustled a day in his life.

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I blame this whole catastrophe on the French who had the brilliant idea in 1718 to build an entire city 10' below sea level.

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BTW, he also thinks that AIDS is a man-made disease introduced to Africa to kill black people and that crack was intentionally put into the black community to destroy the Black Panther party. In summary, he's a talented artist but also an idiot. Pretty much like most celebrities...

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Actually the 'French' areas of the city are the dry ones (they were on higher ground than the rest of the city).

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Who is more the fool, the fool who builds a city below sea level or the fools who carry on living there for 200 years afterwards...

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it's hilarious watching the righties' heads spin when some celebrity says something funny like this!!

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BTW, he also thinks that AIDS is a man-made disease introduced to Africa to kill black people and that crack was intentionally put into the black community to destroy the Black Panther party.


I think I read somewhere that his father used to be a Black Panther.

Yeah, Sean's boat has a leak, but I give him props for going down there and trying to set an example.

I would be down there myself if it werent for the fact that my house is on the market and I am trying to sell it by-owner..

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I blame this whole catastrophe on the French who had the brilliant idea in 1718 to build an entire city 10' below sea level.


IIRC, the historic French core was not really the most affected are and is actually above sea level. They especially chose the site beacuase it was a slight high-ground compared to the rest of the area, so it's Americans who messed this up.

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Wow, I was way too late.

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I think I read somewhere that his father used to be a Black Panther.


Yes. His mother was a college English professor.

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the dark side of black people

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LET ME START by saying that if I had my life to live over a thousand times, the one thing I would not change would be my race. I am proud to be a black man. There are times however, when I wish that certain people and I did not share that trait.

For the past few days, the whole world ... well, at least those who have access to satellite and cable television, have been seeing pictures of the virtually total devastation of the cities of the U.S. Gulf Coast by Hurricane Katrina. An estimated 90 per cent of homes in New Orleans have been destroyed by flood waters and more than 100 people have been confirmed dead.

We see people standing on the roofs of their submerged homes desperate to be rescued, others being airlifted to safety, and we have heard tear-jerking stories of families losing their loved ones. But in all of this, we have also seen the really dark side of black people.

The day after the hurricane passed, there were reports of looting but network reporters had been saying that people were looting out of desperation, in search of food and water. A lot they knew.

The pictures I have been seeing are of people - black people - stealing shoes, diapers, and television sets. Not food and definitely not water. Not unless the armfuls of clothing, shoes, and appliances I see people wading through the streets with count as food and water.

Now, if all the looters were looting out of desperation, how desperate were the guy and girls I saw toting several boxes of size 13 Nikes? How desperate was the fellow with the stack of diapers? What, is it that he has several babies at home suffering from loose bowels? What am I talking about, what home? Everything is under water and what isn't, has been totally destroyed.

Plasma TV?

And just what are those guys stealing the plasma television sets going to be watching when there is no power in the entire city?

Desperation? Yeah, right. I am beginning to believe that black people, no matter where in the world they are, are cursed with a genetic predisposition to steal, murder, and create mayhem.

The entire firearm department at a Wal-Mart department store, for example, was cleaned out and the looters used the stolen weapons to rob people. How low is that? Everybody is suffering and the black people would seek to rob people who are suffering just like themselves.

No white looters?

And it has nothing to do with poverty. Where are the white people in all this? I am sure there are poor white people living in New Orleans, Biloxi and the other towns affected by what has been going on. Is it that the media are not showing pictures of them looting and robbing? Or is it that they are too busy trying to stay alive, waiting to be rescued, and hiding from the blacks.

And you know what? Even if the poor whites were looting and robbing, wouldn't it be nice if the blacks could have made them the only ones doing it

Just once, I would like for us blacks to take the high road in situations like this, where instead of showing our darkest side, we put our best foot forward. But I guess that would be too much to ask, too much of a case of wishful thinking.


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I would just like to say I loathe most rappers, and they are anything but talented.

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Kanye West is no gangsta. He's a suburban kid who's never hustled a day in his life.


Nor does he pretend to have, unlike, say, Tupac. He is overtly a nice middle class suburban boy, kinda like Jazzy Jazz and the Fresh Prince.

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I blame this whole catastrophe on the French who had the brilliant idea in 1718 to build an entire city 10' below sea level.


It wasn't below sea level then.

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And the centre of the city (where I presume the city to have been founded) still isn't beneath sea-level.

[edit] but has been noted before, and more eloquently at that too

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He was emotional, and I can't hold too much against someone who reacts to something like this in an emotional way.

However, it is telling that his default emotional position is a racist one.

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He was emotional, and I can't hold too much against someone who reacts to something like this in an emotional way.
I'm surprise! Thumbs up to Pat.
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However, it is telling that his default emotional position is a racist one.
and one wonders why a black person would ever jump to the conclusion of racism in such a situation, what with America's fine history of race relations...

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There are some ... it's super complex as you all know.

FIrst of all, if you believe in something so much, and you are blinded by emotions, and you have to opportunity to speak out , would you not do that? Of course you would. Being blinded by emotions that is.


We must look into the question itself, not the claim or who made it. The question is, the real question, if this happened somewhere else, with say, the same logistical problems and distance, but with say, 100% of people being white and with good income. Would the help be faster and with greater effort and money FROM the leadership of the country or not. if the answer is no difference, then West is wrong. If the answer is yes it would be more help and faster, then West is right.

Is his claim legit, I don't know if it's legit but the question is legit. That's why he should have asked the question instead of making the claim.

He also puts things into dangerous light. First of all, there were looters, who were looting more than food and for survival. There were gangsters shooting etc, having an early Christmas. To say, that they are ALL surviving, trying to get some food and not to starve and they sent troops to kill us is basically making a racial claim that blesses this action, because if you bring up the looting now, you are being racist and not understanding what it's like to be poor and surviving, in racist America.

This is the danger aspect of the ... statement.

However, I'd like to say that the statement as a whole is not without merit. It was just said with emotions running high.

Because we do know, that many of us are tempted to overlook the also surviving people, and not separate the from looters. As in, we knew this would happen, all the gangsters that are of course all black, all those people taking advantage, I knew it, you won't see white people in this action at all. This would be .. close edge as well.

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Personally, I can't see that the fed's response or lack therof has anything to do with race. The fact that New Orleans is 80% black is why Kanye sees shots of black folks looting. Is a TV station supposed to wait until they get footage of white folks looting before they report that looting has occurred?


West was referring to a specific incident that has been making the rounds of the internet. It's a juxtaposition of two news photos. One shows a white couple wading through water with stuff, and the caption refers to them "finding" food. The other shows a black guy in the same situation, but refers to it as "looting."

Now, there are some easy explanations for this: It was two different news services, two different photographers (who work with editors to make the captions), and the simple fact that the first photographer may not have seen the couple in the actual act of looting, but the second may have done so for his person.

Such explanations aren't as easily available as the images, so I'm sure West was reacting very emotionally to what he thought was a case of double standards.

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In summary, he's a talented artist but also an idiot. Pretty much like most celebrities...


QFT.

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West was referring to a specific incident that has been making the rounds of the internet.



I see. And maybe he based his comments on this as well..



http://bushdoesntcaregame.ytmnd.com/

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I do believe the response would have been quicker, in fact very proactive, had the storm hit Kennebunkport, Maine.

I honestly believe the slow response was not racially motivated, but another sign of the amazing uselessness of Dubbya's reign.

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The problem with most of your comments is that West is right. Bush doesn't give a **** about black people.

His mother's comments show just how far from reality Shrub's family lives.

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About the Plasma TV issue, that guy was just thinking ahead. Eventually power will be destroyed, or pick-up trucks will become available, and that guy will have a free giant plasma TV when all those SUCKERS who took food don't have anything anymore.

It's called bettering your situation.

(err, notwithstanding the whole crime issue)

BTW, one thing I'm wondering about the whole situation is why all the focus on NO, up here in Ka-blamada it's like the hurricane and ensuing post-apocalyptic chaos only affected this ONE city.

If I was going to play the blame game, I'd blame the NOPD. They didn't have to be shooting people, but they should've at least made a token effort. I'm all for token efforts. "X" number of officers walking off the job in a crisis? (I don't know how large X is).

Lesson: Police forces should be primarily focussed on professionalism, competancy, and dedication, not doled out as poverty relief jobs and community relations.

Yes, Bush sucks (simply a given), and the whole FEMA sideshow was ridiculous, but that doesn't change the fact that municipal agencies and government in NO really, really failed to step up and go above and beyond the call of duty in a disaster.

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