07-09-2005 07:57									#1
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So have any of the online game reviewers or Firaxis PR staff actually made it past the Industrial Revolution? I have only seen one screenshot with post-Ancient units, and it appeared to be Musketmen. I have not read anything about later-years gameplay, or reviewers reaching victory conditions.
If any of you can point me to that sort of information, please do! Thanks!

	07-09-2005 08:51									#2
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Exactly. There's nothing about the late game.

I've seen a couple of riflemen, but the scenario didn't seem adequate.

	07-09-2005 10:28									#3
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Making the late game fun, balanced and interesting is probably one of the toughest challenges facing Civ4. If the previous titles are any indication, I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

On the other hand, sometimes no news is good news. Maybe they are still working on it?


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	07-09-2005 11:56									#4
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The reason we haven't seen any modern screenshots so far, is said to be that when one makes a game one do so by completing the earliest parts first, then the next etc. So modern age will be done last I guess.

	07-09-2005 15:25									#5
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	07-09-2005 16:33									#6
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They hug a huge carrot?

ZOMFG!

	07-09-2005 16:37									#7
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When was the last game where the late game mattered anyway?

	07-09-2005 17:26									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Senethro When was the last game where the late game mattered anyway?

Funny you should ask. I'm playing an archipelago-map game right now where, through an unlucky Ancient war, my people were weak until the early Industrial Age. Once I solved the nasty bit of getting off of my continent, things went swimmingly, and I'm now killing or sparing civs based on whether I like their world leader graphic. If I hadn't won the race to Tanks, though (and used them abusively), I could have ended up in a defensive posture in the late game.
...So yeah. That's the kind of experience I'm looking for in Civ4.

	07-09-2005 17:59									#9
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I'd love to see a game develop like that. Lucky you.

	07-09-2005 21:14									#10
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its probably because they cant play well enough to survive the ancient\middle ages they are actually doing all their playtesting when competent cciv players take over on patch number 20 or so

	07-09-2005 21:46									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai The reason we haven't seen any modern screenshots so far, is said to be that when one makes a game one do so by completing the earliest parts first, then the next etc. So modern age will be done last I guess.

That makes no sense. You don't (usually) write a book without some idea of how you want it to end. Most of the work of the game has been in AI, game dynamics (rules), art work, and balance. The first three have little to do with what actual units and improvements and techs appear in the modern era, while you cannot achieve the last without seeing the game as a whole, from beginning to end.

quote: Originally posted by Senethro When was the last game where the late game mattered anyway?

Um, that's the problem. That's why it's important to work on the late game.

	07-09-2005 21:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by sophist That makes no sense. You don't (usually) write a book without some idea of how you want it to end. Most of the work of the game has been in AI, game dynamics (rules), art work, and balance. The first three have little to do with what actual units and improvements and techs appear in the modern era, while you cannot achieve the last without seeing the game as a whole, from beginning to end.

Rules and ideas of how something is going to be is one thing, making it and making graphics to it is something entirely different.

	07-09-2005 22:03									#13
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well with the 3 different lengths they are promising to make, I would have thought someone would have gotten to the late game by now on a short game.

	07-09-2005 22:46									#14
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Hehe... Yeah, but what if the late ages aren't finished yet, so that showing screens of that would be bad PR?

	07-09-2005 22:47									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Senethro When was the last game where the late game mattered anyway?

The PTWDG?

First to nukes wins?

	08-09-2005 00:17									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Rules and ideas of how something is going to be is one thing, making it and making graphics to it is something entirely different.

Ah, I misinterpreted your comment. The screenshots don't depend on much besides graphics. However, I don't know if it's reasonable to assume that the graphics were done in the game's order of ages, nor that the graphics for units for a particular age were done at the same time as the graphics for improvements in that age.

	08-09-2005 00:54									#17
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quote: Originally posted by sophist Um, that's the problem. That's why it's important to work on the late game.

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IMO

it seems there screenies are almost following a pattern

so I am hoping within the next 5-10 screenies we will have some kind of modern unit other than a rifleman

	08-09-2005 01:01									#18
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If you remember the times before the release of Civ3, we went through the same thing then.

	08-09-2005 01:12									#19
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quote: Originally posted by sophist Um, that's the problem. That's why it's important to work on the late game.

As players improve their skills the game will become faster and faster. I suspect that no matter what, the players will become good enough to eliminate the modern age from at least 66% of games. (depending on map size)

Its a feature for the people who can't get off single player mode.

	08-09-2005 01:42									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Senethro As players improve their skills the game will become faster and faster. I suspect that no matter what, the players will become good enough to eliminate the modern age from at least 66% of games. (depending on map size) Its a feature for the people who can't get off single player mode.

I always gets to the modern age, but that's because I wait to eliminate the enemies until that time... just because I for some weird reason actually like that age