07-09-2005 16:46									#1
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Apparently, Yahoo helped Chinese police track e-mails down to a PC and this led to the arrest of a journalist.

	07-09-2005 16:57									#2
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Apparently, Yahoo helped Chinese police track e-mails down to a PC and this led to the arrest of a journalist.

Boo! I don't Yahoo.

	07-09-2005 17:12									#3
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Yahoo hates freedom and democracy. These criminals!

	07-09-2005 17:14									#4
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what was the journalist doing? TRADING CHILD PORN?

	08-09-2005 06:40									#5
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No. The journalist apparently leaked the incredible state secret that the government had instructed its news outlets to not commemorate the anniversary of the massacre at Tian an Mien Square.

	08-09-2005 06:42									#6
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Saw this on /. earlier. I think there are much better reasons not to use Yahoo, such as the fact that IT SUCKS.

	08-09-2005 07:08									#7
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Yahoo isn't alone. It is part of the cost of doing business in China. Every company that does business in China has essentially agreed to this trade off. Yahoo is just the first company whose cooperation was used to arrest and convict anybody.

	08-09-2005 07:32									#8
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I didn't like that guy in front of the tank anyways

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	08-09-2005 08:33									#9
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So, what's the hubba hubba here?

Even RIAA asked ISPs in the US to turn over information to help with investigations. The FBI and CIA no doubt have done the same.

	08-09-2005 08:37									#10
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Yes, but these arrests get no due process. The journalist can be held indefinitely, and extra charged are certain to be added to either villify him or because they know they can't convince the international community that he was 'spying' and need to save face. That's the hubba hubba here.

	08-09-2005 08:40									#11
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quote: Originally posted by pchang No. The journalist apparently leaked the incredible state secret that the government had instructed its news outlets to not commemorate the anniversary of the massacre at Tian an Mien Square.

These kinds of arrests are getting more common as dissent is increasing in the mainland. There is now an increasingly tighter control of state media than a year ago.

	08-09-2005 08:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Yes, but these arrests get no due process.

It appears this guy got 10 years for "diverging state secrets."

quote: Originally posted by DaShi The journalist can be held indefinitely, and extra charged are certain to be added to either villify him or because they know they can't convince the international community that he was 'spying' and need to save face. That's the hubba hubba here.

A lot of people have made similar allegations before, but I have never heard anything that was substantiated. Just a couple of years ago a female US citizen of Chinese origin was arrested for spying. At that time a lot of noises were made. Though after she was released after a year or so in jail nothing came out of it again - even after said person returned to the US.

	08-09-2005 08:47									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger A lot of people have made similar allegations before, but I have never heard anything that was substantiated. Just a couple of years ago a female US citizen of Chinese origin was arrested for spying. At that time a lot of noises were made. Though after she was released after a year or so in jail nothing came out of it again - even after said person returned to the US.

It appears this guy got 10 years for "diverging state secrets."

	08-09-2005 08:53									#14
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what exactly is a diverging state secret? "The government told us not to commemorate the anniversary of Tian an Mien Square". The previous statement is worth 10 years in jail?

	08-09-2005 08:56									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger So, what's the hubba hubba here? Even RIAA asked ISPs in the US to turn over information to help with investigations. The FBI and CIA no doubt have done the same.

Yes, and look at the news that made. Unlike China, this issue is debatable in the American legal system.

Pull out your dictionary and tell us which logical flaws you are using here.

	08-09-2005 09:01									#16
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That's Aggie's trick.

	08-09-2005 09:03									#17
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my real point here is that we cannot expect corporations to act on anything other than their bottom line. Corporations have no conscience. If we expect them to, we will be disappointed every time.

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I don't know if they always act on their bottom line. The problem is that the potential profits to be made in China are so huge that it really tests the ethics of foreign corporations doing business there. I wouldn't expect Yahoo to sell out a journalist at the behest of the Yemeni government, for example, but I would be surprised if they didn't do such a thing in China. Access to the Chinese market is just too important to most corporations, leading them to engage in some rather despicable actions in order to stay on the good side of the Chinese leadership.

	08-09-2005 09:36									#19
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*nod* Like those news stories about foreign companies accepting bribes since it's a normal way of doing business in China and it's expected.

	08-09-2005 09:44									#20
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And it's not just corporations that are being tempted to engage in questionable behavior in order to get a piece of the action in a booming China. Governments are being tempted as well, as demonstrated by the near-lifting of the arms embargo on China by the EU.

	08-09-2005 14:01									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger So, what's the hubba hubba here? Even RIAA asked ISPs in the US to turn over information to help with investigations. The FBI and CIA no doubt have done the same.

Hey we're trying to protect you UR. We're not the ones who are going to get swept up in some half-assed quasi-legal abuse of power by the communist party. It will instead be educated fairly liberal Chinese people who spend a lot of their time debating all sorts of issues in an open manner on foreign web sites.