08-09-2005 17:07									#1
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Can anyone find any? Why are there very few scientists examining the ways in which global warming can improve the environment (except in flippant ways like, "oh we'll be able to grow wine in Manchester" ).

e.g. A warmer world is a wetter world. More people die of drought-induced famine than flooding. Therefore surely some currently parched areas ought to benefit.

Why don't we hear about this?

	08-09-2005 17:10									#2
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Warm or not, this place will always be cold.

So why not.

	08-09-2005 17:11									#3
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Park Avenue

A warmer world is a wetter world.

QUOTE]


Gotta love those warm, dripping wet Sahara, Kalahari, Namib, Atacama and Great Sandy Deserts.

	08-09-2005 17:12									#4
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Don't diss Kalahari. No one survives, who refuses to apologize this great crime they did.

	08-09-2005 17:13									#5
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PA: It's not that simple.

According to most things I've read, global warming does not just mean a "wetter world". Ignorant people tend to think in generalizations like this. Basically, there will be greater extremes. Lots of areas will suffer greater drought. Lots of areas will have increased precipitation. Global currents could also get messed up. Which means Europe could get a lot colder, despite the rest of the world getting a lot warmer.

The thing is PA, when it comes to this world we live in, accelerated climate change is generally not a good thing because the results are terribly unpredictable.

But it's nice to know you take this problem seriously.

	08-09-2005 17:15									#6
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I know the easy answer is, "well there are no good effects" but that is just sheer ignorance.

Climate change is natural anyway, climate stability is not. Nature is adaptable.

	08-09-2005 17:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Climate change is natural anyway

burning fossil fuels and pumping trillions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is not natural

don't pretend that it is

	08-09-2005 17:29									#8
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@ Sava

He didn't say anything about Humanity's contribution to the phenomenon. Let him say it first, then go at it. And he is right, "Climate change is natural anyway, climate stability is not." We have the lifespans of mayflies compared to the Earth. The climate shifts all the time, but we haven't been around long enough to see the extremes for ourselves; what we have now is mild compared to past climates. Instead, we rely on evidence gathered from core samples of sediments and ice to tell us what has come to pass.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower. I feel dirty for having agreed with PA on anything.

	08-09-2005 17:34									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Climate change is natural anyway

So's death. That' doesn't mean we ignore murder.

	08-09-2005 17:41									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs @ Sava He didn't say anything about Humanity's contribution to the phenomenon. Let him say it first, then go at it. And he is right, "Climate change is natural anyway, climate stability is not." We have the lifespans of mayflies compared to the Earth. The climate shifts all the time, but we haven't been around long enough to see the extremes for ourselves; what we have now is mild compared to past climates. Instead, we rely on evidence gathered from core samples of sediments and ice to tell us what has come to pass. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower. I feel dirty for having agreed with PA on anything.

I hope someone put NAIR in your shampoo!!!

	08-09-2005 18:04									#11
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Humans may have accelerated global warming, but you can't say for sure that it wouldn't have happen otherwise. We've had climate changes before.

Besides, humans are born of nature, we are not outside of it. Thus, anything we do to it is technically "natural".

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quote: Gotta love those warm, dripping wet Sahara, Kalahari, Namib, Atacama and Great Sandy Deserts.

The Namib and Atacama deserts aren't particularly warm. Neither are the Gobi, the Ordos, the Takla Makan, the Kyzyl Kum, the Kara Kum, the Dasht-e-Kavir, Patagonia, much of the western United States or Antarctica. Frankly, I fail to see what temperature has to do with desert formation...

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Frankly, I fail to see what temperature has to do with desert formation...

It can alter the direction of prevailing winds, an thus rainfall patterns.

	08-09-2005 18:11									#14
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Does that mean there is going to be more deserts? Or just deserts in different places?

	08-09-2005 18:13									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Besides, humans are born of nature, we are not outside of it. Thus, anything we do to it is technically "natural".

naturally (according to merriamwebster online) - 3 a : without artificial aid

artificial is defined as MANMADE


so you are wrong


OBVIOUSLY

	08-09-2005 18:14									#16
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The model I saw has Global Warming leading to an increase in the size of the polar ice caps. If that happens then there will be less water in the atmosphere and more in the form ice. Meaning, more deserts, some of which will be in different places, and some deserts may actually become temperate.

	08-09-2005 18:17									#17
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quote: naturally (according to merriamwebster online) - 3 a : without artificial aid

That's bullsheit. Anything we make is just as natural as anything some stupid animal makes.

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quote: The model I saw has Global Warming leading to an increase in the size of the polar ice caps.

It's not really "global warming" if it lead to an ice age, is it? It'd be nice if "climate change" would catch on as the preferred terminology.

	08-09-2005 18:21									#19
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quote: It's not really "global warming" if it lead to an ice age, is it? It'd be nice if "climate change" would catch on as the preferred terminology.

it would be... just another reason why all those ecologist are nutjobs.

	08-09-2005 18:27									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Japher That's bullsheit. Anything we make is just as natural as anything some stupid animal makes.

no


go create an online petition to tell all the dictionaries to change their definitions if you feel differently

go protest outside their offices

	08-09-2005 18:27									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Does that mean there is going to be more deserts? Or just deserts in different places?

Either or.

	08-09-2005 18:28									#22
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quote: go create an online petition to tell all the dictionaries to change their definitions if you feel differently go protest outside their offices

No, too busy trolling here. Maybe after the homos get them to change "marriage"...

	08-09-2005 18:31									#23
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Because climate change will destroy all the ecological enviroments that rely on the climate they've adapted to! when a desert gets wet all the desert life dies! When a plain gets hot and dry all the plains life dies! When a temperate forest gets tropical the trees all rot!

If you define deserts as "dead land" then there will be plenty more desert! Atleast if climate change progresses faster than ecologys can adapt.

And:
Rising Sea Levels = LESS LAND, PERIOD. Humans aint too good adapted to living under the sea. The coastal land tends to be most valuable. The newly created sea will be a cesspool tainted by old human development.

And it's true that if climate change is catastrophic, humanity will be able to help ecologies adapt, but this is likely to be a low short-run profit venture. We either have to pull our heads out of our collective asses or hope climate change will be gradual.

There may be a few boons for farmers, especially in drier areas that get wetter, especially in areas unable to afford irrigation systems.

	08-09-2005 18:35									#24
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quote: naturally (according to merriamwebster online) - 3 a : without artificial aid

1 : by nature : by natural character or ability
2 : according to the usual course of things : as might be expected

Nature:

1 a : the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing : ESSENCE b : DISPOSITION, TEMPERAMENT
2 a : a creative and controlling force in the universe b : an inner force or the sum of such forces in an individual
3 : a kind or class usually distinguished by fundamental or essential characteristics
4 : the physical constitution or drives of an organism; especially : an excretory organ or function -- used in phrases like the call of nature
5 : a spontaneous attitude (as of generosity)
6 : the external world in its entirety
7 a : humankind's original or natural condition b : a simplified mode of life resembling this condition
8 : the genetically controlled qualities of an organism9 : natural scenery




If Artifical = Manmade then your system is too small.

	08-09-2005 19:06									#25
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quoting irrelevant stuff from the dictionary

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Main Entry: ir·rel·e·vant
Pronunciation: -v&nt
Function: adjective
: not relevant : INAPPLICABLE
- ir·rel·e·vant·ly adverb

	08-09-2005 19:20									#27
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Main Entry: douche bag
Function: noun
slang : an unattractive or offensive person



I'm surprised this was in there

they didn't have asshat though

	08-09-2005 20:51									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Can anyone find any? Why are there very few scientists examining the ways in which global warming can improve the environment (except in flippant ways like, "oh we'll be able to grow wine in Manchester" ). e.g. A warmer world is a wetter world. More people die of drought-induced famine than flooding. Therefore surely some currently parched areas ought to benefit. Why don't we hear about this?

	09-09-2005 11:15									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Why don't we hear about this?

Want to hear about tropical diseases being more widespread? Or about massive extinctions?

Silly Stew, can't even make a good troll.

	09-09-2005 11:19									#30
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Global warming is expected to destroy the Gulf Stream within the next 100 years, causing Great Britain and eastern Canada to literally become Syberia