08-09-2005 23:53									#1
	2K GAMES Launches SID MEIER'S CIVILIZATION IV Pre-Order Program Got spare money?

quote: PRESS RELEASE: 2K GAMES LAUNCHES SID MEIER’S CIVILIZATION IV PRE-ORDER PROGRAM 2K Games, a publishing label of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO), and FIRAXIS Games, world renowned video game developer, today announced the Sid Meier's Civilization IV pre-order program. Customers who pre-order Sid Meier's Civilization IV at participating retailers in North America will receive the Pre-Order Edition of the game at no additional cost. Shipping on the same day as the regular version of the game, the Sid Meier's Civilization IV Pre-Order Edition will feature: collector's packaging, a CD soundtrack of the game, a keyboard template, a tech tree map and a spiral bound version of the manual. The Pre-Order Edition will be offered through participating retailers while supplies last. The fourth game in the PC strategy series that has sold more than five million units, Sid Meier's Civilization IV is a bold step forward for the franchise featuring spectacular new 3D graphics and all-new single and multiplayer content. Sid Meier's Civilization IV will be released this October for PC. For more information please visit www.2kgames.com.

Currently Civ4 is online availiable for pre-order on the following US retailers: Chips&Bits, EB Games

	09-09-2005 00:08									#2
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Great!!! Awesome! Wonderful!

But...

quote: Customers who pre-order Sid Meier`s Civilization IV at participating retailers in North America will receive the Pre-Order Edition of the game at no additional cost.

Not a word about us, the rest of the world.


Edited: I'm really disappointed.

	09-09-2005 00:40									#3
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again and again, i gotta order it to be shipped to some friend of mine in the US or EU, then have it shipped over to me in Serbia. CB has a pitiful list of countries where they ship, while Amazon European affiliates ship to EU only. It baffles me why, it is not like we have any kind of sophisticated network of PC games sales here which should be protected.

	09-09-2005 00:42									#4
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	09-09-2005 00:46									#5
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quote: CB has a pitiful list of countries where they ship

CB? you mean Chips&Bits? They ship worldwide

http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/or...61&add=CIVI4.IR

	09-09-2005 00:57									#6
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Retailers? Does that include eTailers? because I am against paying tax for anything.

	09-09-2005 01:10									#7
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Good luck with the customs. I once bought Sid Meier's Antietam (which was only available for online purchase) and I paid as much for shipping as for the game and on top of that the same amount in customs. Overall the game was three times as expensive.

	09-09-2005 01:39									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: CB has a pitiful list of countries where they ship CB? you mean Chips&Bits? They ship worldwide http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/or...61&add=CIVI4.IR

Serbia, too? Your link just leads to normal shopping screen.

	09-09-2005 02:01									#9
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quote: Serbia, too?

hmmm for years now we linked to them cause they shipped practically everywhere.

i now try to select "yugoslavia" (no serbia/montenegro on the list) for the country but there is an icon that it cant be shipped there. it's strange, i'll send them a mail....

	09-09-2005 02:06									#10
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thanx a bunch, i guess i will still probably organize us-us-serbia shipment, but it would be cool to see if cb remains an alternative.

	09-09-2005 02:31									#11
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quote: participating retailers

Hm. Could they be a bit more specific...?

	09-09-2005 03:17									#12
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Ah, just North America once more - how predictable

	09-09-2005 03:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Ah, just North America once more - how predictable

Hmmm, you are right and it's strange enough: last time I checked the Atlas the world was a bit more populated than North America...

Of course maybe Firaxis and Take 2 will offer a similar special pre-order offer, anytime a localized version will be ready to be released in a new country. I'm trying to be on a positive mood.
Well, in fact I can't believe it myself!

	09-09-2005 03:50									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Hmmm, you are right and it's strange enough: last time I checked the Atlas the world was a bit more populated than North America... Of course maybe Firaxis and Take 2 will offer a similar special pre-order offer, anytime a localized version will be ready to be released in a new country. I'm trying to be on a positive mood. Well, in fact I can't believe it myself!

It's never happened before, and doubt it ever will. Dream on...

	09-09-2005 04:46									#15
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I'd like to know where this official press release is... isn't on Firaxis's site, nor on Take Two's.

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quote: Originally posted by JoeyLemur I'd like to know where this official press release is... isn't on Firaxis's site, nor on Take Two's.

Teh Markos knows about what he speaketh.

	09-09-2005 05:32									#17
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just because one department doesnt update the corporate site, doesnt means that another doesnt send press releases

gamespot posted about it too (after apolyton)

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Ah, just North America once more - how predictable

Yeah, it's such a shame that Britain isn't a particularly important market

	09-09-2005 06:19									#19
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So exactly what are the reasons they don't ship Internationally? (I can understand the non-english speaking countries would be too costly to send an english version), but what about the english speaking countries?


Not releasing it internationally (at the same time), encourages piracy.

It is also an unfair advantage as the U.S. get a lead on the mechanics of the game; thus also encouraging piracy.

	09-09-2005 07:16									#20
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The Civ3 Limited Edition was supposed to be only in North America but I bought it in a shop here in Korea. It had all the goodies plus a Korean manual. Maybe we'll get something similar this time.

But I'm not going to buy it until it shows up at YesAsia. Chips and Bits kills you on the shipping. YesAsia has free shipping.

	09-09-2005 07:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py So exactly what are the reasons they don't ship Internationally? (I can understand the non-english speaking countries would be too costly to send an english version), but what about the english speaking countries?

the preorder version, ie "special edition" is US only, they haven't said anything about a regular version of the game being NA release only.

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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py So exactly what are the reasons they don't ship Internationally? (I can understand the non-english speaking countries would be too costly to send an english version), but what about the english speaking countries?

What about the people in non-english speaking countries who speak english almost like their native language?

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German PC-gaming website GameStar is just doing an online-survey about how good visitors to their site speak english and so far 16963 votes were cast: 34.5% (5850) said they speak english so well that they prefer games even with lots of text (e.g. Morrowind) to play in english. Still 39.8% (6759) said they know enough to play simpler games (e.g. Doom3) in english. 22.8% said they rather play localized games and only 2.8% voted "bad to almost nothing" when asked how well they speak english

So we have around 74% who speak english quite well and 26% for whom games in german are better. Okay, online surveys are to be taken with a grain of salt, but the point is there.

Another thing about english games is that e.g. I have learned a lot through gaming and I cannot emphasize this enough! I started with Civ1 (english; on the mac) when I was around 12 years and didn't know much about english, but games are a wonderful way of learning.
I told that to my sister for whom I tried to get as much english games as possible and she's really ahead of the others in her class (okay she's a clever girl in general).

Additionally with games, you HEAR what they say (and most of the time there are subtitles) so you don't develop such a strong foreign accent.

edit2: OMG so many errors

	09-09-2005 14:45									#23
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Heck, I've preordered mine at EB games, customs or no customs.

Would've been wiser to buy it over here at a third of what is going to cost me, but oh well, it's only once every four years that civ comes out.

	09-09-2005 16:13									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Yeah, it's such a shame that Britain isn't a particularly important market

euh the world is bigger then just US & UK

The EU market alone is already >300 million and if you count in the big asean markets I think their marketing department is missing out some big opportunities (even if at first they could only pre-order english version)

	09-09-2005 16:18									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Yeah, it's such a shame that Britain isn't a particularly important market

Don't you have school to go to or something, child?

	09-09-2005 18:44									#26
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso thanx a bunch, i guess i will still probably organize us-us-serbia shipment, but it would be cool to see if cb remains an alternative.

reply came back, they dont ship to serbia...

i can relate, EB doesnt ship to Greece....

	09-09-2005 19:53									#27
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so, where can I pre-order my cIV special copy?
I want it to be sent to Holland

	09-09-2005 20:25									#28
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Cyber,

If you're not gonna have Civ4 shipped from the US, you'll want to keep an eye on this shop: http://www.gcshop.nl/ (it's not listed yet but I'm sure it will be soon enough). It's run by a couple of students as a non-profit site. I order all my games there, it can sometimes save up to €15(!) compared to regular retailers (not always though). They often have special deluxe editions and the like as well. I know I'll be buying my copy there

	09-09-2005 20:26									#29
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There should be more than enough americans in the netherlands that you could ask. Just try your nearest coffee shop

	09-09-2005 20:28									#30
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quote: Currently Civ4 is online availiable for pre-order on the following US retailers: Chips&Bits, EB Games