09-09-2005 11:04									#1
	Honestly... whats the use of Helicopters? Tired of ads?

Ok. I would love to hear of anyone's ideas or even their examples of the use of Helicopters in Civ. Because sadly (as much as I love the idea of dropships.. see my avatar) I have found absolutely no use for these units in the course of the game. I use them only sparsely and that is because I just WANT to, not because they are practical. So please, does anyone have a situation/example or thoughts about helicopters uses in C3C?

	09-09-2005 11:47									#2
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If you want to maintain an airbase or a city far from your homelands (ie. a jumping off point for an invasion elsewhere), you can use them to move infantry long distances very quickly or to drop decent ground troops a few squares away (Paratroopers leave a lot to be desired). Obviously, their use in this respect is limited, but it's A use and it is faster than ships if you just need to get support far away quickly

	09-09-2005 22:22									#3
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Can't say I have either and have never built one. Thesus posted a screenie of the AI dropping one off next to one of his towns, but I have never even seen one in the game.

	10-09-2005 07:39									#4
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Has anyone heard of any helicopter-type air-transport units in Civ4?

Lord I hope they are vastly improved...

	11-09-2005 11:41									#5
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same feelings here, but include radar artillery

I have only built 1 of each after all the games I have played

	11-09-2005 12:28									#6
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Like the concept of choppers, sad it is not practicle.

	12-09-2005 13:02									#7
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Helicopters are not underpowered, it's the AIRPORTS that are OVERPOWERED.

By turning off (in the Editor) the "Veteran Air Units" for airports, you can no longer ferry your units instantaneously. Helicopters then are your sole airlift capacity. I even lowered their lift capacity to two units.

My preference is for veteran status to be earned, so in my mods even barracks is a small wonder. It is most unfortunate that unit upgrades can only be done where veteran units are created.

	12-09-2005 14:45									#8
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quote: whats the use of Helicopters?

they look cool

	12-09-2005 21:46									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG they look cool

I couldnt agree more, I just wish they were more useful!

	12-09-2005 21:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Jaybe Helicopters are not underpowered, it's the AIRPORTS that are OVERPOWERED. By turning off (in the Editor) the "Veteran Air Units" for airports, you can no longer ferry your units instantaneously. Helicopters then are your sole airlift capacity. I even lowered their lift capacity to two units.

I have often thought Airports are overpowered myself, but how would turning off Veteran Air Units make it even out? I am somewhat confused to the result. That stops airlift option for units?

	14-09-2005 09:08									#11
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Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one could make Helicopters more useful through the editor? much appreciated!

	17-09-2005 11:36									#12
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carry more units or type of units

maybe transport artillery ?

be able to patrol the skies (coastal asw work)

	17-09-2005 22:56									#13
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Personally, I've never used helicopters in civ 3 (or civ 2 for that matter)

In fact, just about the only chopters I owned in SMAC were the Unity chopters via pods. (I pefered to use Locusts for air power.)

	17-09-2005 23:50									#14
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choppers are massivly overpowered in smac
locusts have some very big drawbacks and are not a mainstream unit

	18-09-2005 04:48									#15
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I was thinking I could make a unit that is suited to be used as a Helicopter component. Sort of like Shock Troops that will be used with the Helicopters to secure and attack the enemies things. Anyone have any thoughts on the abilities or stats of this unit should be?

I originally thought to make the unit immobile to make the use of Helicopters nessassary, however then there would be no way to get the unit back to a city...

Any help or suggestions would be very welcome!

	18-09-2005 04:52									#16
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Against the AI, locusts don't have drawbacks. Just don't stack them outside of bases. (This is like all units in Civ II outside cities/forts.)

Chopters can't take control of a base, locusts can.

(I've won SMAC on transcendi level with all 7 factions using the ecologicly sound forest and fungus terraforming + native life forms as military approach. I also used the blob tactics with spare terraformers to grow my island.)

quote: Originally posted by Cataphract887 choppers are massivly overpowered in smac locusts have some very big drawbacks and are not a mainstream unit

	18-09-2005 05:42									#17
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oh well in SP they are the best,no doubt about it.i have played many games like that.they just keep killing and killing

but not in MP


imho cIV should be having the helos attack like normal units
or assign targets to hit,i dunno.then they could be formed into bands(send 3 helos after 1 infantry for example)

	21-09-2005 07:32									#18
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Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions on how to make the helicopter more potent in the editor? I am open to almost everything...