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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Was not every single casualty reported in the news? Aren't those soldiers in contact with their families? All you need to do is add official casualties, so the real death toll shouldn't differ too much from the official one.
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VetLegion
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Or one could look at demographic statistics of the US and look for bumps.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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er.. no
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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MIA = casualtsy. Wounded and dead = Casualty. In any case it's public and the family informed. What's your point?
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:33
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Stop being paranoid of your government and get laid.
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VetLegion
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What? Did he mention Sanader? Read more carefully Echty.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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in my honest opinion, I do believe the number to be greater, just for the fact that there's no way in hell they fiddle with that official death toll number after someone previously wounded has died in hospital of where ever, in treatment or waiting for one.
Anyone, who thinks the military reports figures honestly and directly to the press ALL the time should go to reality check.
HOWEVER, I do not believe the figures are THAT much higher in reality. SO.. 9000??? I don't think so.... I mean, I don't think it changes the figures noticably.
That's just the reality of it, what's more important is to exaggarate enemy casualties. For example, if you have a firefight, and you count 10 bodies, 10 adults, 2 is who you wanted, 8 got caught on fire by EITHER side, you go with 10 enemies killed. Period. Or suspected enemy, might have been enemy, IS enemy. You don't go all that trouble to identify everyone, and if **** hits the fan you just make one some kind of small time leader too, so it's cool.
I'm not saying coalition troops are doing this methodically. I'm saying, in war, this is done.
But as far as US casualties being THAT much higher, no, I don't believe it.
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:33
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quote:
Originally posted by MOBIUS
In what way?
Are you directly refuting this report? |
in the way that if indymedia.org published a story saying the sky was blue, i would assume that it had changed colour over night.
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:33
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have a look here mobius.
a recent gem from their new orleans outlet
quote:
American Genocide in New Orleans
By Kirsten Anderberg (http://www.kirstenanderberg.com)
I was seriously hoping that I would not have to write this article. But it has been too long now, and I have to say something. Regardless of whether the deaths en masse of poor black folks in New Orleans is due to neglect or maliciousness, the end result is constructively a genocide on poor blacks in America, right now, in 2005. The lack of aid to New Orleans at this late hour (7 pm, Sept. 1) is not explicable. I have only one explanation that I can muster up. And that explanation is classism and racism.
The reality is these refugees in New Orleans right now were already poor, so that tells you how much the government cared about them BEFORE this disaster. Why would you expect the government to all of a sudden, now, prioritize the group they did not care about before, to the tune of inadequate health care, inadequate and expensive housing, etc.? So this is not a shock, I guess, that the American government is apparently going to let poor black Americans die for no apparent reason, right on the nightly news. They were already not caring about the health of these people, so I guess they are still in that mindset.
Look, New Orleans is not on Mars. I cannot explain why military aircraft carriers, the like we saw during the South Vietnamese evacuation in the Vietnam War, are not landing in New Orleans and airlifting these folks out. Are they all in Iraq or what? I also cannot explain why they are not, at the very least, airdropping food and water onto the people in New Orleans, like they did in Afghanistan after 9/11. These people are literally DYING because America is not doing that! I cannot explain why they did not evacuate the New Orleans jail until AFTER the disaster, either. The many, many ways that the American government has now jeopardized the lives of poor black Americans in this Katrina disaster has literally scared me to death, as a poor person. I feel very strongly that if those were middle class white people stuck in those conditions in New Orleans right now, that relief would have come days ago. For some reason, just as the cops let L.A. burn in the Rodney King riots, this smells of racism to me.
New Orleans is not even a day away from the West Coast. I cannot explain why it is taking days to get help to those people dying down in New Orleans right now. But I remember when I was in the Northridge Earthquake in 1994, that the white middle class people had all the water they could use from the national guard, while only a few miles to the south, the mostly Hispanic communities, were standing in lines for hours in the sun to get only 5 gallons of water. My son and I drove up from the San Fernando Valley into the Santa Clarita Valley in 1994 after the quake collapsed our apartment, after seeing block-long lines at stores for water and long lines at high schools and parks with National Guard trucks giving out water to anyone with a 5 gallon container. When we hit Santa Clarita, there were cases of bottled water at every I-5 off ramp, with military personnel just sitting there, waiting for these middle class families to drive up. When I hit the Santa Clarita Red Cross, they also asked me to take some water off their hands, unloading a few cases of Evian water into my trunk! They had a surplus. I asked both the military and the Red Cross to please load the water up and drive just a bit over the hill where the water was desperately needed. And they refused. Maybe that story is a microcosm of what is going on here in New Orleans right now. No one wants to drive over the hill with supplies?
I cannot explain why there is not at least food and water for the people we are seeing suffering in New Orleans, and the idea there is no landing strip is not true. I have seen flat lawns with massive people littered on them, I have seen abandoned highway strips that could sustain a landing, and I am sure if you told the refugees if they move out of the area for the plane to land, they will be airlifted out, they would cooperate right away!
I have watched insane police hold machine guns to the bodies of mothers carrying clothing out of department stores on TV news. I saw the cops force the mothers to drop the clothing, with his gun in her chest, and she dropped the clothing, and it floated away. A pure authoritarian waste. Even Nazi-ish in nature! I saw police allowing their own into stores for food, but holding the people back from the same luxury, calling poor blacks desperate for food and water “looters” while the cops do the same exact thing and are NOT called looters. I would assume some cops are gonna die if they keep trying to act like this. I see America fueling a heavy crisis in New Orleans, then blaming the refugees for getting desperate. Just as it is in the Middle East, if people were fed by American government, instead of patrolled and pointed at with guns while hungry, things will be safer for all.
The racist cops of L.A. used the Rodney King riots to validate some kind of weird racist theory that blacks are violent and riot. But that is bull. The movie “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy and Dan Akroyd is a beautiful movie about this idea where you drive someone to desperation then call them criminals. My friend was cleaning pools in Beverly Hills during the Rodney King riots and she said there was a cop car on every block. But when she got into the lower income areas, a cop could not be found. So, from my own disaster experiences, I guess the class/caste separation of even disaster rescue in America is obvious and dominant.
I just told my 21 year old son that he is watching a genocide of people in America right now on TV, as this is what this feels like to me. I have heard NO logical argument as to how on earth those people could still be stranded in New Orleans. It is not Mars. This is ridiculous. And it has become obvious this delayed response in New Orleans is fueled by classism and racism, unless the U.S. government can spit out some logical explanation, but I have not heard one yet. New Orleans is a scene of constructive genocide right now on America’s poor blacks, and I do not know how Americans are just sitting quietly as they watch this on TV. I am out of my mind about this right now. Just out of my damned mind. I have never hated GWBush more, and I have never seen a better living example of classism and racism alive in America today. According to resources in Canada, Canadian TV is reporting they offered planes full of food, water, and supplies to help New Orleans refugees and America turned them down! Again, I wish I did not have to write this article. And I hope I am wrong in this conclusion. But again, I have waited days now for logical answers from the U.S. government and it appears those answers are not coming! |
this is about the standard one can expect from this lot :/
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:33
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by pulling it out of their arse?
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Az
indymedia.org = rubbish |
QFT
They never met a rumor they didn't like.
The article is plausable but until I get confirmation from a news organization that does actual fact checking, it's nothing more than a rumor.
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