09-09-2005 20:57									#1
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What is the minimum/maximum bonus you can have in the social categories that is still useful? For example: is +6 econ at all better than +5 econ etc.

All the stats have listed ranges, for some I assume effect past that range (Efficiency is used in some formula so any value would help at least a little, I guess)

	09-09-2005 21:15									#2
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All of the values listed in the SOCIAL section of alpha.txt are hardcoded. As for EFFIC, I do not know if there is a limit to the effect it can have in formulas, but I have yet to find one that I can remember (IIRC, I went up to +10 and still found no limit).

	09-09-2005 22:04									#3
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EFFIC is limited to some 2-digit number AFAIK, just don't know how big.
Everything else is hardcoded and can the values can be found in the manuals.

	09-09-2005 22:35									#4
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Limits that I know of:
Growth has no further effect outside [-3, 6].
Effic has no further effect below -4.
Industry is normally bounded to [-3, 5] but a value of -7 or less rolls over to 5.
Research has no further effect outside [-5, 5]
Econ has no further effect above 5, but seems to work fine for arbitrarily low values. The effect of X Econ, where X <= -2, is that each base loses (-1-X) energy from its base tile, *after* accounting for rec tanks, but not to go below zero.
Probe above 3 rolls over and is apparently treated as 0. Probe below -2 has no further effect.
Police has no further effect outside [-5, 3].
Support has no further effect outside [-4, 3].
Planet seems to be fully effective at any value.
Morale has no further effect above 4. I think it's bounded below at -4, but it might interact interestingly with a children's creche.

	10-09-2005 02:50									#5
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Thank you, this is the information I need

	10-09-2005 10:45									#6
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quote: Planet seems to be fully effective at any value.

Do the capture percentage change between 3 and 4?
IIRC no.

	10-09-2005 16:47									#7
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nope. but the % bonus stays,at least up to 70. which is what i think he was refering to