10-09-2005 01:50									#1
	Discussion: If we get an SGL, when completing IW, what do we do with him? Remove this text

We will soon have IW. As we are certain that we will be the first to get that Tech, there is a possibility of getting a SGL.

So, if that happens, we should have some prior discussion, already done and some idea as to what to do wih him, if it does happen.

If anything, call this discussion a pre-poll discussion.

Options:
Use Immediately - Not really an option, as we don't have any techs or cities in positions to use them, for building a GW.

Save for later for:
Colussus - have tech, need city on coast.

Pyramids - Need Masonry tech. Current plans look like we might trade for this tech. Satisfies Agri trait Condition for triggering GA

SoZ - Need Alpha (getting from CBR), Masonry & Math. Granted, this would be the best use, but we will have to trade for most of the techs. We know where Ivory is and it will be connected before the tech requirement. We might also work on a prebuild, that way, we can use SGL for Pyramids and the prebuild for SoZ. But that all depends.

Lighthouse - Would get us possible contact with other continent, need Map Making.

As we can have more than one SGL (IIRC that is), we can wait for whatever.

There are a few more GW's, but for now, they might not be best.

E_T

	10-09-2005 01:56									#2
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Since we're starting off with a plan to build some pumps, we already have some early food action set up. Pyramids don't look so great to me when our chances of getting another SGL are so low. My inclination would be to save it for a wonder in the Middle Ages like Leo's. The only problem with this would be that if we go for an early war, keeping the SGL means the inability to generate a MGL. I believe it's been established that you cannot generate a MGL if you already have a MGL OR have any SGLs. (Of course, this might also be a problem with the SoZ, Colossus, or Lighthouse depending on just how early a war we're talking, but those we might be able to fit in before using elites in battles.)

	10-09-2005 03:12									#3
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The pyramids will be useful, but having them will make us the bullseye on a target.

	10-09-2005 04:42									#4
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if we get a SGL (1:19) then I'd prefer SoZ as it seems most of us want to try to build it anyways and though it is a cheap wonder we will gain very much of it when we build it early with this SGL!
RMs argument with the bulls eye when we have pyramids is just too true!
And we will probably have a war before we enter the MA and can spend the SGL on some wonder like Sun Tsu or Leo. And while we are in war we still want to have the chance of a MGL as the armies in C3C are just awesome!

	10-09-2005 05:03									#5
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Screw the target and all, give me the Pyramids.

It'll take a long while to get the techs needed for the SoZ.

	10-09-2005 05:47									#6
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I don't forsee us getting involved in a war before we get Math. So the arguements about not getting a MGL (was this changed in a patch?) don't hold water if waiting for SoZ. Plus, SoZ garuntees us a 3 attack unit without iron or horses.

	10-09-2005 07:06									#7
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You don't need horses to get Ancient Calvary from the SoZ?

	10-09-2005 07:53									#8
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Nope. Just Ivory.

	10-09-2005 08:23									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll if we get a SGL (1:19) ....

one chance in nineteen?

Well... It's not much, isn't?

	10-09-2005 09:22									#10
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Isn't it a 7% chance, not a 5% chance, since we're Scientific?

Still not great odds, but there's a chance.

	10-09-2005 09:48									#11
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Ok, there's a chance.

SoZ is a killing wonder. In a PBEM game, could make the difference...
Mounted units, 3 attack... Each 5 turns. Yum!

	10-09-2005 11:30									#12
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yeah, definitely either SoZ or pyramids...

	10-09-2005 12:40									#13
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2% if one isn't scientific. 5% if one is. It would be 1/20 odds.

	10-09-2005 13:11									#14
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I think Pyramids will accelarate our expansion a lot. They will save 60 shields for each next city we found. With 10 cities this means 600 shields. And twice faster growth in the beginning. I think early Pyramids will pay back very fast.

And what is the problem if we get Bull's eye? I think we will fear our enemies and noone will want to mess with us, but rather try to ally with us. At least in the ancient era.

	10-09-2005 14:56									#15
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pyramids as first choice.

	10-09-2005 16:39									#16
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I am 99% sure i've generated a second MGL when I already had one.

Never kept an SGL for long enough to prove it either way.

	10-09-2005 16:59									#17
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you can generate more than 1 MGL but not if you already have a great leader (scientific or militaristic). So always use MGLs asap if you are still in war and have the chance of a second MGL.
Though this does not apply to SGLs.

	10-09-2005 17:25									#18
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Yeah, It is possible to have more than one SGL at a time, but having any type of leader means that it is immpossible to generate an MGL.

	10-09-2005 20:34									#19
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I'd vote for SoZ the Pyramids would be great too but I fear it woud make us enemy Nr. one for anyone.

	10-09-2005 23:09									#20
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SoZ will too, so this is not an argument

	11-09-2005 00:04									#21
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But with SoZ we can hit them harder than with triangular stonebuildings

	11-09-2005 01:44									#22
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Granted, you can't throw them too far, but I'd hate the be under it when it was thrown.....



E_T

	11-09-2005 20:48									#23
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SoZ is the best wonder we can get, but it's also a very cheap wonder. It seems such a waste to use the scientific leader for the cheapest wonder, particularly since we can have pre-builds in place in anticipation of the discovery of mathematics.

I think we should save the leader for the middle ages and use it to construct Leo's. Another option of course is to use it for pyramids and thus save the time and shields that would otherwise be wasted on granaries.