10-09-2005 07:09									#31
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A lad at my school played football for England schoolboys, and got decent A level results, but that was the exception, rather than the rule. All the other members of the football team were dumb, and only allowed back into 6th form because they were good at football.

	10-09-2005 08:19									#32
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Because they **** all the time.

	10-09-2005 08:45									#33
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At least at my school, a lot of people who own glasses never wear them for style reasons. They don't realize that they look just as stupid squinting at the board all the time. So I guess the best answer for you is that smart people don't give a damn about whether they look nerdy, or whatever the stupid football squinting football guys think about bifocals. They're mostly black, so maybe focalphobia is cultural around here. The only AA celebrity I associate with glasses is Spike Lee, someone who is not really known as a terribly fashionable dresser.

	10-09-2005 12:39									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Also, the association smart = weak is false. I know at my (geek) school, we have the best athletics in the area. Just not in sports like football or basketball - we're better at individual sports like swimming and track and tennis.

It means your school is in a area where natural selection is going to wipe out. Nothing more.

	10-09-2005 13:12									#35
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One of the guys in my class in school got 94% on his final exams (2nd in the year, of 320ish people) and is a two time olympian.

I have competed at national level in basketball and rowing, and have also done a PhD at Cambridge University.

I don't wear glasses.

So i guess you're not the only one.

	10-09-2005 13:15									#36
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york A lad at my school played football for England schoolboys, and got decent A level results, but that was the exception, rather than the rule. All the other members of the football team were dumb, and only allowed back into 6th form because they were good at football.

i played football for my school and college, and got decent results. i'm exceptional, yay!

	10-09-2005 16:21									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It means your school is in a area where natural selection is going to wipe out. Nothing more.

What makes this statement scarier is that many other Chinese think in these terms as well.

	10-09-2005 17:54									#38
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You will all soon find out that green-eyed men are underrepresented in the area of eyeglass-wearing, how is that for superiority?

	10-09-2005 20:07									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It means your school is in a area where natural selection is going to wipe out.

I understand every word in that sentence, but I can't parse it. Try rewriting it so that it makes sense.

	10-09-2005 21:04									#40
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He means that if you live in an area where nobody is sporty, even the weak (whom natural selection would select against at some point) look good.

Despite the poor grammar it was still intelligible.

	10-09-2005 21:22									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I understand every word in that sentence, but I can't parse it.

You can't parse it. You speak as if you were a computer.

	10-09-2005 21:46									#42
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The word parse, and its meaning, predates the invention of the computer

	10-09-2005 21:47									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin He means that if you live in an area where nobody is sporty, even the weak (whom natural selection would select against at some point) look good.

Which is silly, since he must be talking about the entire United States... we have one of the top crew teams in the country

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Well, UR was taking cheap shots... unfortunately one was to his foot.

	10-09-2005 23:02									#45
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quote: Also, the association smart = weak is false. I know at my (geek) school, we have the best athletics in the area. Just not in sports like football or basketball - we're better at individual sports like swimming and track and tennis.

Yeah, but how many people care about what you're better at?

Track is probably third to football and basketball in terms of care...tennis and swimming are getting on down there...

Maybe the thing your school is really exhibiting is that, since team sports like football and basketball are sucked at, no one at your school is good at teamwork skills?

	10-09-2005 23:06									#46
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quote: Yeah, but how many people care about what you're better at?

What's the point? Just because other people don't care about it, doesn't mean it's not athletic.

And I know three kids from my school last year who got into Princeton on crew scholarships.

quote: Maybe the thing your school is really exhibiting is that, since team sports like football and basketball are sucked at, no one at your school is good at teamwork skills?

More like we're extremely competitive, and most of us aren't stupid enough to play football.

	10-09-2005 23:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Which is silly, since he must be talking about the entire United States... we have one of the top crew teams in the country

Crew? As in theatre stage crew?

	10-09-2005 23:43									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Well, UR was taking cheap shots...

No, it's just simple logic.

1. There are only so many hours in a day
2. Time spent doing one thing couldn't be used for something else

Which means a person can either spend his time to excel in academics or athletics, but not either.

Thus, if in an area where a bunch of self-professed geeks could best students in the same age group from other schools in the same area in athletics, that just means all those other kids are total waste products.

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	10-09-2005 23:52									#50
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That's not what I think he meant.

I thought that he just means that natural selection will wipe out the area where Kuci's school is located. The whole "in the land of the blind the one-eyed is king" isn't but vaguely implied.

	10-09-2005 23:55									#51
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quote: Thus, if in an area where a bunch of self-professed geeks could best students in the same age group from other schools in the same area in athletics, that just means all those other kids are total waste products.

It's quite possible!

And I generally disagree with you - If you exercise as your leasure activity ( playing basketball, and other ball games is a great example ) - You will be able to excel at physical abilities and in your mental abilities, as well.

	11-09-2005 00:06									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Crew? As in theatre stage crew?

Crew as in ROWING, *****

Like spending two hours a day doing hard exercise.

	11-09-2005 00:09									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger No, it's just simple logic. 1. There are only so many hours in a day 2. Time spent doing one thing couldn't be used for something else Which means a person can either spend his time to excel in academics or athletics, but not either.

Even Aggie could teach you a few things about logic. That there are only so many hours in a day doesn't imply that there aren't sufficient hours to excell in multiple areas.

My school has produced nationally competitive swimmers and rowers (I don't know much about other sports cuz I don't play them). These same people are very smart and easily in the 99th percentile at least.

quote: Thus, if in an area where a bunch of self-professed geeks could best students in the same age group from other schools in the same area in athletics, that just means all those other kids are total waste products.

No, it means you're talking out of your ass.

	11-09-2005 00:09									#54
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Oxford and Cambridge are famous for rowing too. It could be a class image thing. Like saying your school is the best at Fives or Polo or something.

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quote: Even Aggie could teach you a few things about logic.

Attacking two people at once

	11-09-2005 00:52									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger No, it's just simple logic. 1. There are only so many hours in a day 2. Time spent doing one thing couldn't be used for something else Which means a person can either spend his time to excel in academics or athletics, but not either. Thus, if in an area where a bunch of self-professed geeks could best students in the same age group from other schools in the same area in athletics, that just means all those other kids are total waste products.

Just because you couldn't do both (or any?) of them doesn't mean other people are similarly equipped to handle things. I finished with an A-level equivalent of AAAA in my school exams and played 30ish hours of basketball a week as part of my semi-professional club (which was national champion when I played there) and the U18 national side. Admittedly Luxembourg, but still.

Same goes for the other guy i mentioned, he swam 2.5 hours before school, then 2 hours after school as well and 2*2hrs hours training sessions on Sat/Sun. He finished with one of the highest averages ever seen in my school, maths olympiad medals and has represented his country in Sydney and Athens.

Or take Oxford and Cambridge rowers. Admittedly some get in because they happened to row for the US/Canada/Britain/Australia/German Olympic team, others come in as undergraduates and manage to combine a full degree with 35hours of training for one of the hardest single sporting events.

It's all a question of time management and having brains to start with. I could do the school work that would take most people an hour in 15-20mins. Why? I trained myself to speed read, and developed a form of photographic memory. Also, at school i did not do an awful lot else but school and sport really. I did not watch TV to any great degree, played some computer games but not a lot and maybe went out with other friends once every two weeks. It is just what you decide to do.

I also think rowing is a sport that is ideally suited for this, as a lot of the training is done in the early morning when most people would be sleeping anyway. Your body gets used to sleeping less, so you can do more in a day.

	11-09-2005 00:53									#57
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Also, strictly from an evolutionary point of view, it makes sense that intelligence and strength would be positively correlated, not negatively.

	11-09-2005 03:05									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Also, strictly from an evolutionary point of view, it makes sense that intelligence and strength would be positively correlated, not negatively.

Please explain.

You could theorise that being strong and intelligent uses too many resources if you only need to be one, the other or half and half to survive.

	11-09-2005 03:19									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy I hear you say it's because they read so much and start so early but guess what so do I, and I started reading when I was 4. I neverneeded glasses in my entire life. Also, many "intelligent" / "educated" people I know are weak and geeky, so why am I not, when at the same time I'm just as clever as they are?

There is balance in all things, young Grasshopper. The gods gave you a good brain, good eyes, and a slim waist. They balanced this out by making you ugly and giving you a small penis.

	11-09-2005 03:22									#60
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I wear glasses. Not contacts- glasses. I balanced my vanity against my desire to poke my fingers in my eyes, and vanity lost.