11-09-2005 03:31									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Please explain. You could theorise that being strong and intelligent uses too many resources if you only need to be one, the other or half and half to survive.

Intelligence and strength are both survival traits, particularly in our primate ancestors in the past millions of years or whatever the timescale is. There's not actually that much of a tradeoff between them, like a bigger brain makes it difficult to support more muscle or something. You don't see some dichotomy between people with strong upper and lower bodies.

	11-09-2005 03:43									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Intelligence and strength are both survival traits, particularly in our primate ancestors in the past millions of years or whatever the timescale is. There's not actually that much of a tradeoff between them, like a bigger brain makes it difficult to support more muscle or something. You don't see some dichotomy between people with strong upper and lower bodies.

There is an energy usage tradeoff. Brains require energy to stay alert and think. Muscles require energy to perform physical tasks.

	11-09-2005 03:50									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp There is balance in all things, young Grasshopper. The gods gave you a good brain, good eyes, and a slim waist. They balanced this out by making you ugly and giving you a small penis.

Neither of the 2. I fully rule. It's personality where you can get me though

	11-09-2005 04:16									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin There is an energy usage tradeoff. Brains require energy to stay alert and think. Muscles require energy to perform physical tasks.

Muscles don't require that energy constantly though.

	11-09-2005 04:33									#65
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hmm, larger muscle mass burns more energy even at rest

but the energy thing is red herring anyway.

	11-09-2005 04:37									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I wear glasses. Not contacts- glasses. I balanced my vanity against my desire to poke my fingers in my eyes, and vanity lost.

Oh, and is it cheap glasses bought at Wall-Mart (or whatever your local buycheap place is called) or some of those smart ones that are big business vanity thingies ?

I used glasses for some years but had to change and decided to try contact lenses - talk about difference !!! No more irritating turbulence in the eye areas when cycling - no more steamed glasses - full viewsight without the rim of the glasses.

About the "poke a finger in the eye" - well it took less than a week to get used to it.

On topic, I don't think that having bad sight is a proof of beeing a geek, nerd or being intelligent having seen examples of glasswearers that definitely wasn't any of those.

@ Dauphin. You are right that both things demands energy, but you can't say that energy used on physical activity means you use less on thinking - my experience is that heavy physical activity actually helps using you brain afterwards. Most important - you are able to use you brain for more years instead of the short burst until dead of heart diseases etc due to "bad lifestyle"

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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Oh, and is it cheap glasses bought at Wall-Mart (or whatever your local buycheap place is called) or some of those smart ones that are big business vanity thingies ?

You can get glasses at Walmart? Wtf?

I've always gotten mine from Lenscrafters.

	11-09-2005 04:59									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You can get glasses at Walmart? Wtf? I've always gotten mine from Lenscrafters.

I haven't a clue We don't have Walmarts here but our similiaries called Netto do sell glasses, so I guess that WM do it too.

	11-09-2005 05:32									#69
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Yeah I wear glasses myself, but I don't know if I fit the standard stereotype of the small, unathletic bookworm. Being as small as I am, that rules out most contact sports, but things like track and soccer, I used to really enjoy, even though I can't see things very well.

	11-09-2005 12:23									#70
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I don't think there's much difference in energy use of the brains between an intelligent person and a not-so intelligent person. Maybe a couple of percent.

	11-09-2005 14:25									#71
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat @ Dauphin. You are right that both things demands energy, but you can't say that energy used on physical activity means you use less on thinking - my experience is that heavy physical activity actually helps using you brain afterwards. Most important - you are able to use you brain for more years instead of the short burst until dead of heart diseases etc due to "bad lifestyle"

My comment was directed at evolutionary processes. We are the most intelligent species on Earth (supposedly) yet we are also physically one of the weediest. There is a reason for it.

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I dont think we are that relitavely physically weak, but in an evolutionary situation with finite resources, then it seems brains + less muscle has won over muscle + less brains.

Now our evolution is not restricted by finite resources, so we should be able to advance in both areas. except perhaps for time is a finite resource. But then I think both physical and mental development suffer from laws of diminshing returns anyway

	11-09-2005 17:55									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin My comment was directed at evolutionary processes. We are the most intelligent species on Earth (supposedly) yet we are also physically one of the weediest. There is a reason for it.

We're really not that weedy. We're designed to be omnivorous endurance predators- catching faster animals by just relentlessly chasing them until they drop from exhaustion.

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Sounds like a friday night at the pikey meat markets

	13-09-2005 02:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp We're really not that weedy. We're designed to be omnivorous endurance predators- catching faster animals by just relentlessly chasing them until they drop from exhaustion.

	13-09-2005 02:09									#76
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My vision sucks, 20/400.

	13-09-2005 02:55									#77
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Geek.

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I wear glasses because for some reason, just my left eye is terribly near-sighted. I don't wear contacts because I think glasses look more distinguished.

	13-09-2005 03:31									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthy I started reading when I was 4. I neverneeded glasses in my entire life. Also, many "intelligent" / "educated" people I know are weak and geeky, so why am I not, when at the same time I'm just as clever as they are?

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	13-09-2005 03:37									#80
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Guess what I read when I was 4.

	13-09-2005 03:53									#81
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I don't know what my vision is according to the 20/20 rating or whatever

but here are the ratings on my contact lenses (respectively)
Power
Base Curve
Diameter

LEFT:
-4.25
8.6
14.0

RIGHT:
-3.75
8.6
14.0

Without my lenses or glasses I am blind (not literally, but really blurry)... and as we all know, I am a genius. So it supports the bad eyesight = smart theory.

	13-09-2005 06:00									#82
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Fishface!

	13-09-2005 10:49									#83
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Im -2.5 in each eye, according to my contacts lenses.

Its not too bad, and my eyes seem to get used to not wearing glasses quite quickly

	13-09-2005 12:35									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Odin My vision sucks, 20/400.

isn't that like...blind?

mines better than 20/20 btw

	13-09-2005 21:49									#85
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I have perfect eyesight and a magnificent brain to boot. But I have the physique of Jabba the Hut...

	13-09-2005 21:50									#86
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney mines better than 20/20 btw

which means you are a dumbass