11-09-2005 23:23									#1
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What will the Nintendo Revolution controllers look like? Nintendo have been very secretive about them, probably because they're worried Sony and Microsoft will steal their ideas. Still, the new controllers are set to be revealed some time this month.

This site has large selection of ideas. A lot of the serious money seems to be on some sort of modular controller which can be reconfigured in different ways, and virtually all the designs are wireless. Gyroscoptic motion sensors are popular as well.

Some my favourites:

A simple design that's just a GC controller with more buttons. Unlikely, because Nintendo have hinted that they want to keep things simple.


Touchscreens are a popular choice, allowing the 'buttons' to be reconfigured depending on the game being played.


One of the modular designs I mentioned. The action button configuration sucks, though.


Some of the designs are just weird.


Scroll wheels on a joypad? Sounds good. I don't like that tragic little start button, though.

	11-09-2005 23:25									#2
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the last one would rock... I find the old nintendo controller to be the best **** ive ever laid hands on

all these new trinkets are too complicated for my hands to operate

	11-09-2005 23:52									#3
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Whatever it lacks in ergonomics and features, it makes up for in ease of understanding what the buttons do.

	12-09-2005 13:33									#4
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I just hope it isn't too silly. The DS's touch screen really turns me off.

I think the Saturn controller is the most comfortable. The Xbox had the worst one ever. The initial controller was giant and chunky, and the buttons are not good for mashing. It is painful trying to play Metal Slug, or other such games that require intensive use. Thank goodness for the Street Fighter controllers.

	13-09-2005 22:34									#5
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@ the NES style controller. Bring it on.

	17-09-2005 00:08									#6
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	17-09-2005 08:40									#7
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My worst fears came true. I hate the new controller. No. Hate is too weak a word. I loath it. I am reviled. Disgusted. I feel nauseous.

On another level I am also excited.

Maybe I need a shock like this to free me from my gaming addiction.

The Xbox 360 for all its bells and whistles appalls me. I have little interest the photo realistic graphics and the 3D applications it promises. I can go for a walk outside in the sunshine and experience pure 3D reality for nothing. The direction of the 360 is bad enough, but the outrageous price is something I am no longer willing to afford. I bought an Xbox largely to play ports and remakes of Dreamcast games, but nothing short of a 2D scrolling shooter sequel to Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga would make me consider a 360 - and even if Treasure do release such a game, it probably won't get Western release, let alone PAL release.

Likewise, I have just crossed the Revolution off my list. Being backward compatible, and having the entire library of Nintendo games available for download is useless - utterly ****ing useless - if you have to play them with a retarded remote control.

That leaves me only one option: PS3. I don't like being cornered though. I can sniff freedom, and it is enticing.

Already I have enough games to realistically last me the rest of my life. Thanks to emulation, the complete library of classic arcade games - 2D gaming in all its glory - is already mine. There is decades worth of gaming pleasure to be had. On top of that I have a shelf full of games I have barely touched, let alone extracted every last gram of pleasure from. What a mindless consumer I have become.

	17-09-2005 10:07									#8
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What the hell do you want? You don't want good graphics, you don't want backwards-compatibility, you don't want realism, and it seems to me you don't want any game at all except the old arcade games, which you already have.

	17-09-2005 10:12									#9
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I don't want a remote control to play games with. I thought that was obvious.

	17-09-2005 10:29									#10
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What I do want is games with depth.

Whether that be 2D gaming on current consoles, such as Cave developed games like Mushihimesama, Do Don Pachi Daioujou DV, and Espgaluda, or the upcoming release of Raiden III. Fighting games such as Guilty Gear, Virtua Fighter, or good old Street Fighter. Rhythm games like Amplitude and Gitaroo-Man.

Games that require practice and persistence. To be graceful, absorbed, mind gone, euphoric in that moment of success after many failures.

I don't see how grace could be possible waving a fricken remote control around.

	17-09-2005 10:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela What I do want is games with depth. Whether that be 2D gaming on current consoles, such as Cave developed games like Mushihimesama, Do Don Pachi Daioujou DV, and Espgaluda, or the upcoming release of Raiden III. Fighting games such as Guilty Gear, Virtua Fighter, or good old Street Fighter. Rhythm games like Amplitude and Gitaroo-Man. Games that require practice and persistence. To be graceful, absorbed, mind gone, euphoric in that moment of success after many failures. I don't see how grace could be possible waving a fricken remote control around.

Street Fighter? STREET FIGHTER?

	17-09-2005 11:05									#12
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If this new controller heralds a new era of innovation, I will battle the awkward control mechanics of waving a remote control around. But my intuition tells me this is just another cheap gimmick as with the DS's touch pad.

The DS hasn't introduced any significant innovations. It is just the same old game play, crippled with an annoying control system. The DS is probably fine if you are willing to sit down at a table with it so you don't get tired of holding it with one hand, but that kind of defeats the purpose of hand held gaming.

	17-09-2005 14:02									#13
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I intended to post "chill, it's just a controller"

*runs*

But then I saw it. And I'm not going to any more.

	17-09-2005 14:04									#14
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Erm ... you do realise that Nintendo are releasing a regular controller as well? The remote thingy is just a wacky (and stupid) bundled add-on.

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Oh, he didn't tell me that. I return to my original comment.

	17-09-2005 14:09									#16
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4251720.stm

quote: The slim controller can be used one-handed or can be fitted with an extension cord that links it to a familiar thumb-controlled joystick.

I'm not exactly sure how to interpret that. However, you obviously won't be expected to play every Revolution game with nothing more than a poor-quality HiFi remote control.

	17-09-2005 14:12									#17
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Don't get me wrong, I still think it's one of the most stupid things I've ever heard of.

It would be nice to use it as a virtual stick to beat a Nintendog to death with, though.

	17-09-2005 14:22									#18
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It doesn't matter that there will be a shell like device to fit the remote into. Nintendo will develop their games to incorporate the gimmick. It is not like there will be an option to play Mario 128 with the remote or with the traditional controller. The game will have features that necessitate pointing, twisting, swivelling, slashing the stupid remote device. Thus it will be for most of the Revolution library I assume.

The DS does have games that don't require the touch pad, but they are few and far between. I imagine the same will be for the Revolution.

From what I gather, the entire philosophy behind this gimmick is to make gaming more friendly to casual gamers. Nintendo is bending to serve the lowest common denominators of society, who might be seduced to point and click in a game, rather than just channel surf with their beloved TV remote.

The reason I am so annoyed over this development is I have adored Nintendo ever since I played Game & Watch. In recent years they have stood as a unique alternative to Sony and Microsoft. Now they have become too unique I feel.

From a marketing perspective, this is probably the only way Nintendo can survive. They can no longer compete with the big boys.

	17-09-2005 14:30									#19
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Here's a pic with the analogue add-on.

What if you want to scratch your nose?

	19-09-2005 03:38									#20
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This new controller looks amazing. I'm excited, and I honestly think I'll go with a Revolution in the next console cycle.

It looks like it would really be a lot like playing with an old flight control joystick only wireless. And I think that playing an FPS with a remote would be a lot more fun that with a regular controller or a mouse and keyboard. Practically like laser tag.

I like Nintendo, they understand that games are games and not something to get all worked up about.

Miyamoto et al. remind me of Willy Wonka, and that's a good thing.

	19-09-2005 03:53									#21
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a tv remote

	19-09-2005 04:21									#22
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It's not in any meaningful sense a TV remote. It's a gyroscopic controller that allows those of us who used to play games by leaning back and forth to try and edge our (whatever) over a bit more can actually do so again *and get him to move over*. Allows the user to get more into the game, rather than just chomping buttons. It's weird, and it's different, but I like it, and hope the PC gets something like it someday

	19-09-2005 04:52									#23
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The way I interpreted the comments was this would be the standard Revolution controller, and an optional, extra addon would be a controller shell to make it more...normal.

I still think it's a gimmick, I have little interest in waving a remote around to play a game. It'll go the way of the light gun, which supposedly would revolutionize shooters.

Nintendo and its partners have also already stated that Revolution would not support high-def (I'm done playing games in 640x480...this is 2006 launch we're talking about, come on Nintendo), and that the console will not be technically that powerful compared to its competition...

	19-09-2005 04:53									#24
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The light gun wYnw

And I can DanS just as well as you :P

Nintendo has never (well not recently anyway) had the best graphics. They just have interesting games, and usually ones aimed towards younger audiences. I think Nintendo is smart, and knows their niche market ... letting Sony and Msoft fight over the super-high-res market.

	19-09-2005 09:48									#25
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It's not a "smart" thing to do to target a shrinking "niche" market while your competitors set record sales...

	19-09-2005 18:51									#26
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It seems rather strange to complain about Nintendo going for a niche market, then complain about them not providing HDTV support...

Still, I think that they've made a mistake here. Basically, they've missed a generation. They should have done a more normal joypad with motion sensor component, before making a grand leap into unknown territory. The history of gaming is littered with machines that were before their time, so playing it a little safer would have been my strategy.

This 'better than a mouse' stuff sounds a lot like 'fields of real-looking grass'. In other words, it's hype. The gaming press generally shy away from serious criticism of Nintendo; their reaction here could be that of in-denial Star Wars fans after the Phantom Menace.

	19-09-2005 20:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Here's a pic with the analogue add-on. What if you want to scratch your nose?

You can still scratch your nose -- just hold onto to both parts of this fangled thing, and rub your nose with the back of one of your hands.

	19-09-2005 20:17									#28
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What if you want to scratch inside your nose?

	19-09-2005 20:22									#29
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Pause the damn game, and then put the fangled thing down to pick your nose or whatever else you want to do with your nose!!

	19-09-2005 22:03									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman It seems rather strange to complain about Nintendo going for a niche market, then complain about them not providing HDTV support...

HDTV is becoming increasingly popular and cheaper, and over the period of the "next generation" it will be anything but niche...

LCD TVs with HDTV support fall in price by huge amounts every year.