12-09-2005 00:50									#1
	Karl Marx & Godwin's Law Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher last Friday night. George Carlin was talking with James K. Glassman about how class in America was one of the problems with the response to hurricane Katrina. Glassman then said to Carlin, "What? Am I talking to Karl Marx?" Carlin made a disgusted face and started to get pissed.

Is their a corollary to Godwin's Law? If you call someone Karl Marx in an argument about class, have you lost automatically? Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?

	12-09-2005 03:51									#2
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Who are you, Rosa Luxemburg!?

	12-09-2005 03:56									#3
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I'd take this to a new level - are the ramifications of Godwin's Law a good thing or a bad thing?

I mean all of us would probably enjoy to enforce it for the Nazi part. Why not here? hypocrisy?

	12-09-2005 04:27									#4
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Why did Bill Maher bring George Carlin into a public conversaation of this type? What qualifications does George Carlin have?

George could have blamed it on race - then Glassman could have asked him if he was Malcolm X.

	12-09-2005 06:11									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Why did Bill Maher bring George Carlin into a public conversaation of this type?

Bill Maher always brings one comedian and usually tries to get a least one right wing guest. It seems to be tough for him to do so though. Some weeks, there's nobody from the right pov.

The conversation just nose dived after Glassman called him Karl Marx. Carlin started raising his voice and Glassman did the same. It was stupid for a moment.

quote: Originally posted by Ecthy I'd take this to a new level - are the ramifications of Godwin's Law a good thing or a bad thing?

I had a thread on that a few weeks ago. I don't think Godwin's Law is a good thing, but some people abuse the fascist angle. Glassman in this case definitely killed the dialogue immediately when he called Carlin "Karl Marx." The reference served no purpose other than to antagonize him.

We need a name for a law for when people invoke the communists stupidly.

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quote: Originally posted by Seeker Who are you, Rosa Luxemburg!?

Went right over my head. I had to google her.

	12-09-2005 06:51									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Is their a corollary to Godwin's Law?

I'd say more of an extension or amendment.

quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley If you call someone Karl Marx in an argument about class, have you lost automatically? Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?

This has to do with the popular misconception that a communist is some sort of left wing counterpart of a nazi. Which is completely untrue of course.

I reckon you can counter by calling the other side "McCarthyist" or something like that.

	12-09-2005 08:33									#8
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The real question is: if acknowledging the existence of class as an aspect of society makes you Karl Marx, what does pretending that class doesn't even exist make you? Marie Antoinette?

You know, "Who am I talking to here? Marie Antoinette?" is actually pretty catchy...

	12-09-2005 08:42									#9
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Carlin is an anarchist, so being called a commie would be an insult to him.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Carlin is an anarchist, so being called a commie would be an insult to him.

Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.

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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.

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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.

Rufus

	12-09-2005 17:50									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.

Yea kind of, but Carlin would get his ass kicked around here even so. Maher's show has always sucked because it never produces good comedy or good political discussion. It takes the worst qualities of the political yelling shows a does a reduction with them the concentrate the distaste I have for them.

	13-09-2005 01:26									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?

No

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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley Went right over my head. I had to google her.

Young people.