15-09-2005 01:01									#1
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I don't remeber if that's who they kept as the leaders or not, but the question isn't exactly about which leader is better, but more can 2 civs face off with their different leaders.

Can I play a game where I play against the Lincoln Americans and the FDR Americans?

I think this could add playable civs to the game, it would be like they were shipping with 24 instead of 18.

	15-09-2005 01:35									#2
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nice thought, dont see why it cant be mod'd

	15-09-2005 01:55									#3
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I would be irritated if they don't allow clone sides with different colours in multiplayer. If we have the situation of some civ traits being best then clone factions would prevent unbalanced games.

	15-09-2005 02:56									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass Can I play a game where I play against the Lincoln Americans and the FDR Americans?

are we talking basically the same civ, but with different leader heads? or are we talking about different unique units, civ traits (FDR and Lincoln didn't share all of the same domestic policies), etc?

	15-09-2005 04:13									#5
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Well I don't know about UU but I would like their different civ traits. The UU would depend on if the two have a different UU.

	15-09-2005 04:30									#6
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oops, it is apparently Washington and FDR, but the same question holds.

	15-09-2005 18:51									#7
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If two splinters of the same civ can't be had in the game, perhaps there will be (at least in an expansion) potential for civil/revolutionary wars.

	15-09-2005 19:43									#8
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Bring back that Civil War when u take over capitol... "Sir, DC is sacked and americans are in turmoil! Wahsington starts a revolutionary war agst the evil FDR's imperialistic regime!!11!!!!" LOL

	15-09-2005 20:54									#9
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But then there could only be one splinter per civ I guess, since there is no more than max two leaders per civ.

	15-09-2005 21:03									#10
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Why?


A game with 4 same civs, all with the same leader should be possible too...

	15-09-2005 21:18									#11
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Why? That would only lead to confusion.

	15-09-2005 23:08									#12
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I think it's silly that the player can't pick the color his Civ is going to use. Do the Russians always have to be white? Do the Germans always have to be blue? No!

	15-09-2005 23:13									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Why? That would only lead to confusion.

In single player, fair enough, but in multiplayer its the only way to be fair.

	15-09-2005 23:17									#14
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Ever heard of disabling features in the setup screen? Aside from that, with 24(?) leaders, I'm sure there will be more than one good civ, depending on your playing style and the trait combinations.

	15-09-2005 23:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower I think it's silly that the player can't pick the color his Civ is going to use. Do the Russians always have to be white? Do the Germans always have to be blue? No!

I agree, there should either be a randomizer or at least a way to pick the colors manually when starting a new game...
I could understand why this option wasn't there in Civ1 and Civ2, but that the option isn't there in Civ3 is unforgiveable, and if it's not in Civ4 it just makes it worse

Speaking of player-colors, why is it that for all RTS games the player always plays as red in the campaigns? With a few exceptions where the forced color is blue...

	15-09-2005 23:44									#16
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A friend of mine is shaking his head here now, over us fighting over what colour we should be able to be...

	16-09-2005 00:35									#17
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- Why am I Mr. Pink? How about if I'm Mr. Purple? That sounds good to me, I'll be Mr. Purple.

- You're not Mr. Purple. Some guy on some other job is Mr. Purple. You're Mr. Pink!

- Who cares what your name is?

- Yeah that's easy for you to say, you're Mr. White, you have a cool sounding name. All right look if it's no big deal to be Mr. Pink, do you wanna trade?

	16-09-2005 00:40									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg - Why am I Mr. Pink? How about if I'm Mr. Purple? That sounds good to me, I'll be Mr. Purple. - You're not Mr. Purple. Some guy on some other job is Mr. Purple. You're Mr. Pink! - Who cares what your name is? - Yeah that's easy for you to say, you're Mr. White, you have a cool sounding name. All right look if it's no big deal to be Mr. Pink, do you wanna trade?

I love that movie.

	16-09-2005 00:53									#19
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His best movie IMHO

	16-09-2005 01:14									#20
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Whose's movie? And what movie?

	16-09-2005 01:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Whose's movie? And what movie?

HEATHEN!!!
http://imdb.com/title/tt0105236/

	16-09-2005 02:09									#22
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If we can have two civs, each with a different leader, what would each be called? Americans-1 and Americans-2? FDR Faction and Washington Faction? I'll stick with different civs.

	16-09-2005 02:40									#23
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well America is probably the easiest one- America/The United States.

Others like France would be tougher.

hmmm....

Arabs/?
Aztecs/?
China/Peoples Republic of China
Eqypt/?
England/United Kingdom
French/Frogs
Germany/Prussia
Greeks/?
Inca/?
India/?
Japan/?
Mali/?
Mongols/ruthless bastards
Persia/?
Eastern Roman Empire/Western Roman Empire/Italy
Russia/USSR-Soviet Union-Soviets (which ever)
Spain/?

	16-09-2005 02:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass well America is probably the easiest one- America/The United States. Others like France would be tougher.

French Republic/Kingdom of France
Macedonia/Greek cities
Mali/Songhay/Ghana (admittedly not the same Civ, but we tend to accept some confusion there )
Persia/Seleucids

	16-09-2005 02:48									#25
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Actually, there is no reason that the player shouldn't be allowed to pick the color for everyone, in SP and MP. It's just the color shown on his screen. The computer knows the difference.

For SP, the colors for that number of players could be randomly assigned, but allow the human, who is the only entity that cares, to change them at whim.

And it won't matter in MP, because all the machines still know the difference. If I want to assign fluffy pink to a particular other player, it shouldn't matter. Only my machine needs to know that for Player ID #4, to use the fluffy pink palette. On his machine, he can be set to his favorite royal purple, and have me assigned with a Big Red scheme.

This would be a good thing, as it would mean that color blind people could then pick colors that suit their particular vision range.

	16-09-2005 03:48									#26
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A friend of mine has trouble telling brown from green. He has a lot of difficulty with his farm placement in SMAC.

	16-09-2005 04:00									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass Eastern Roman Empire/Western Roman Empire/Italy

It'd be funny if Eastern Roman Empire started in the West and Western in the East

	16-09-2005 05:38									#28
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I wonder if that would make them a confused and backwards people? :hmm:

	16-09-2005 23:39									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Wise Ass well America is probably the easiest one- America/The United States. Others like France would be tougher.

They could just use an easy auto-civ-name generator that jus splits the civ into north and south, or east and west... so if China splits in north and south, the civ in the north is called "North China", and the civ in the south is called... can we have a guess?

It's simple, and doesn't give the weird cases where China splits into Egypt and China

quote: Originally posted by Darkstar Actually, there is no reason that the player shouldn't be allowed to pick the color for everyone, in SP and MP. It's just the color shown on his screen. The computer knows the difference.

This sounds like a good idea, shouldn't be hard to implement

	16-09-2005 23:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio They could just use an easy auto-civ-name generator that jus splits the civ into north and south, or east and west... so if China splits in north and south, the civ in the north is called "North China", and the civ in the south is called... can we have a guess? It's simple, and doesn't give the weird cases where China splits into Egypt and China

A good idea.

.......

As long as North China don't split to f.ex. North North China or South North China...