Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Off-Topic > Delay says there is no fat left to cut in the US budget
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
20.Sep: FOURTH CHAPTER IN `HISTORY OF...` PUBLISHED
13.Sep: NEWS ON THE FLY
06.Sep: APOLYTON DONATES TO HURRICANE RELIEF

bottom of page
   - CIVILIZATION 3 $9.99 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - ALPHA CENTAURI + ALIEN CROSSFIRE (laptop collection) from $19.99 - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 -->
Author
Thread    < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

Deity
The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 05:28
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
Delay says there is no fat left to cut in the US budget Get a bigger avatar today!

BWAHAHA!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/2...20153-3878r.htm

quote:
DeLay declares 'victory' in war on budget fat
By Amy Fagan and Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 14, 2005


House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said yesterday that Republicans have done so well in cutting spending that he declared an "ongoing victory," and said there is simply no fat left to cut in the federal budget.

Mr. DeLay was defending Republicans' choice to borrow money and add to this year's expected $331 billion deficit to pay for Hurricane Katrina relief. Some Republicans have said Congress should make cuts in other areas, but Mr. DeLay said that doesn't seem possible.

"My answer to those that want to offset the spending is sure, bring me the offsets, I'll be glad to do it. But nobody has been able to come up with any yet," the Texas Republican told reporters at his weekly briefing.

Asked if that meant the government was running at peak efficiency, Mr. DeLay said, "Yes, after 11 years of Republican majority we've pared it down pretty good."

Congress has passed two hurricane relief bills totaling $62.3 billion, all of which will be added to the deficit.

Republican leaders have been under pressure from conservative members and outside watchdog groups to find ways to pay for the Katrina relief. Some Republicans wanted to offer an amendment, including cuts, to pay for hurricane spending but were denied the chance under procedural rules
.
"This is hardly a well-oiled machine," said Rep. Jeff Flake, Arizona Republican. "There's a lot of fat to trim. ... I wonder if we've been serving in the same Congress."

American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene said federal spending already was "spiraling out of control" before Katrina, and conservatives are "increasingly losing faith in the president and the Republican leadership in Congress."

"Excluding military and homeland security, American taxpayers have witnessed the largest spending increase under any preceding president and Congress since the Great Depression," he said.

Mr. Keene said annual nonmilitary and non-homeland security spending increased $303 billion between fiscal year 2001 and 2005; the acknowledged federal debt increased more than $2 trillion since fiscal year 2000; and the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill is estimated to increase the government's unfunded obligations by $16 trillion.

Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW), said if Mr. DeLay wants to know where to cut, "there are plenty of places to reduce."

His group soon will release a list of $2 trillion in suggested spending cuts over the next five years, and he said Congress also could cut the estimated $20 billion to $25 billion in pet projects that make their way into must-pass spending bills each year.

CAGW and the Heritage Foundation also suggest rescinding the 6,000-plus earmarked projects in the recently passed highway bill.

But Mr. DeLay said those projects are "important infrastructure" and eliminating them could undermine the economy as Congress tries to offer hurricane relief.

"It is right to borrow to pay for it," he said. "But it is not right to attack the very economy that will pay for it."

Mr. Schatz, though, said the highway bill included projects such as flowers for the Ronald Reagan freeway in California, which he said aren't essential spending.

Mr. DeLay said the budget this year was pared down and 100 programs or offices were eliminated in this year's spending bills. "We have been doing that for 11 years," he said. He said it's an "ongoing process" that will be more complete after this year's budget process, which calls for cuts to Medicaid and other entitlement programs.

Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina Republican, agreed that Republicans "have been more fiscally sound than the Democrats were in their decades in the House." He acknowledged that "we're still trying to improve," and noted Mr. DeLay is leading the fight to reform the budget process.

"We've had a good start, but many of us want to see the government be more fiscally sound and conservative in the future," Mr. McHenry said.


BWAHAHAHAHAH!!

DanS is offline DanS
Emperor
Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 05:32 Visit DanS's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete



I know where we could get about $8 billion per annum. But it might impact his district disproportionately.

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

Deity
The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 05:37
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

quote:
Originally posted by DanS


I know where we could get about $8 billion per annum. But it might impact his district disproportionately.




I feel that perhaps the Dems may be able to point this out .

Rufus T. Firefly is offline Rufus T. Firefly
Prince
is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 05:42
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




I feel that perhaps the Dems may be able to point this out .


Screw the Dems. I want to see what Jon Stewart does with it.

Actually, what I really want is for TV Nation to be back on the air, just for this one story...

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
Prince
Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 05:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote:
BWAHAHA!

Seeker is offline Seeker
Emperor
London Ontario
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 06:20 Visit Seeker's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

A theory;

deLay hates the staff of the Cato Institute, and is trying to kill them off by causing massive collective apoplexy.

What say?

ajbera is offline ajbera
Warlord
of the Cookieville Minimum Security Orphanarium
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 06:23
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

From National Review:

quote:

WASTE [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Tom DeLay, as Andrew noted, said that government has been "pared. . . down pretty good" and that nobody has been able to identify any spending cuts to make in exchange for Katrina-related spending. Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation emailed me a long list of evidence that DeLay is wrong.

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

The list goes on . . .

PERHAPS TODAY'S ASTOUNDING DELAY QUOTE... [John Podhoretz]
...about how there's no way to cut the federal budget will offer a useful reminder to conservatives that while they may be aligned with Republican Congressional politicians, Republican Congressional politicians are just that -- politicians first. There is too often a rush on to defend any and every GOP pol by conservative bloggers and e-mailers on the grounds that if they're being attacked by the MSM, they're victims of injustice. Sometimes, though, they're just...indefensible.

Gamecube64 is offline Gamecube64
King
of Persia
Apr 2004
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 06:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Maybe the budget looks like it has no fat compared to the majority of Americans?

Guynemer is offline Guynemer
King

Donate to the Red Cross
Gotta have more cowbell!
Mar 1999
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 06:54
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

This begs the question--


Tom Delay: asshat, or douchebag?

Solomwi is offline Solomwi

King
Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
Dec 2002
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:09
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Guy, there's no reason he can't be both an asshat and a douchebag.

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

Deity
The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:11
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
Guy, there's no reason he can't be both an asshat and a douchebag.


Damn, I wanted to say that first!!

Solomwi is offline Solomwi

King
Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
Dec 2002
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:13
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

And here I was posting furiously, thinking no way I'd get it in fierst...

Zkribbler is offline Zkribbler
King
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Feb 1999
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

In any large-scale human endeavor there is always waste, fraud and corruption. The problems are (a) finding them and (b) eliminating them. My experience tells me that waste, fraud and corruption usually comes from the top -- from the very people who are assigned to end it. For example:

quote:
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.


J'accuse!! One of the culprits is CONGRESS and its corporate-sponsored lobbyists.

Although one man's waste is another man's "economic incentive."

rah is offline rah
Apolyton Prince of Moderators, Master of Reason
Lord of the Ferrets
Jan 1970
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I'm embaressed to be a republican when I hear total crap like that. And I vote both also

Gatekeeper is offline Gatekeeper
King
United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 07:33 Visit Gatekeeper's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Hmm ... why is the U.S. Geological Survey classified as pork? Last time I checked, there were a fair number of faults, volcanoes and other assorted geology-related things running through the U.S., some of which were (ahem) active.

Gatekeeper

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 08:12
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Penny-wise, pound-foolish. Finishing all the flood control and dikes in New Orleans would have cost slightly over 20 billion dollars, if memory serves me correctly. And how much are we spending now on disaster relief?

Look at programs to help children. Evening programs, like basketball financed through and staffed by law enforcement officers have been shown to reduce juvenile crime rates from what I understand. It has been shown clearly that a juvenile's involvement in crime is a clear indicator that they will continue to commit crimes as an adult. Yet those programs have been killed.

Let me get this straight. No-bid corportate contracts, and large subsidies, are good for the economy. Keeping children in areas of deep poverty off the street and doing something constructive, all the while creating excellent public relation between the police and the community (resulting in fewer shootings of officers), is a waste of money, when nationwide those programs can be funded for millions and the cost of one convict for one year runs roughly $30,000 - and we are incarcerating more and more people.

:) Smiley is offline :) Smiley
Emperor
USCA, Berkeley
Feb 2001
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 08:23 Visit :) Smiley's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote:
Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Hmm ... why is the U.S. Geological Survey classified as pork? Last time I checked, there were a fair number of faults, volcanoes and other assorted geology-related things running through the U.S., some of which were (ahem) active.


Not to mention all the valuable terrain data for video games.

VJ is offline VJ
Prince
Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 08:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

quote:
Let me get this straight. No-bid corportate contracts, and large subsidies, are good for the economy.

They are if the legislators have large amount of shares of the subsidized corporations.

Zkribbler is offline Zkribbler
King
Los Angeles, CA, USA
Feb 1999
time: 21:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 09:23
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote:
Originally posted by shawnmmcc
Finishing all the flood control and dikes in New Orleans would have cost slightly over 20 billion dollars, if memory serves me correctly.


IIRC, that money was for the entire delta region. I think New Orleans levies were about $85 million to upgrade from withstanding a Categore 3 to a Category 5.

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 10:10
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

Thanks Zkribbler, I was drawing from memory and couldn't remember the exact context.

Theben is offline Theben
Emperor
Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 10:18
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#21 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Originally posted by rah
I'm embaressed to be a republican when I hear total crap like that. And I vote both also


You vote for total crap?

Theben is offline Theben
Emperor
Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 10:20
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#22 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Boy, wouldn't it be nice if say, the govt had a surplus to use in the event of an emergency or recession?

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 13:02
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#23 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Blasphemer, blasphemer - burn the heretic.

Sikander is offline Sikander
King
Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:37
  Old Post 15-09-2005 13:19
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#24 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

Douche hats reside in the senate as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/o...5brooks.html?hp


Ready? Cue the Sun...
By DAVID BROOKS

Arlen Specter Welcome to Day 3 of the confirmation hearings of John Roberts. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind the nation of what a wonderful job I'm doing chairing this committee, and I'd like to let the ranking member tell me so.

Patrick Leahy Absolutely, Mr. Chairman! And let me kick off this morning's platitudes about the grandeur of our Constitution by quoting its first three words, "We the People." That means that here in America the people rule - except on issues like abortion, where their opinions don't mean spit.

Specter Very well put, Senator Leahy! And welcome Judge Roberts back before our committee.

John Roberts Jr. Aw, shucks. This has been a humbling experience, Mr. Chairman. To think that a boy from an exclusive prep school and Harvard Law could grow up and be nominated for the Supreme Court - it shows how in America it's possible to rise from privilege to power! That's the hallmark of our great nation.

So while, of course, I can't talk about specific cases, or any emotions, weather patterns or sandwich meats that may come before the Supreme Court at any time between now and my death in 2048, I do want to reiterate that I feel humbled by this experience. I feel humbled that my wife is dozing off behind me. I feel humbled by this committee's inability to lay a glove on me. And I feel modest. You see this suit? I skinny-dip in this suit. That's how modest I feel.

Tom Coburn Well put, Judge Roberts. Yet when I think of the polarization that still divides this great nation ... waaaahhhh ... waaaahhhh. (Senator Coburn breaks down weeping.)

Jeff Sessions This may be a good moment to remind my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that in this country unelected judges don't write the laws. We have unelected lobbyists to do that. Under our system, judges merely interpret the law and decide presidential elections.

Specter Senator Sessions, let me interrupt you right there. We're not here to argue among ourselves and ignore the nominee. We're here to deliver 30-minute speeches disguised as questions and ignore the nominee. So let me turn to Senator Bid - -

Coburn And when I think of the flaws in the reconciliation process! And the gerrymandering! Oh, the suffering! Oh, the humanity! Waaaahhhh ... waaaahhhh. (Senator Coburn collapses and is taken back to his office on a stretcher.)

Specter As I was saying, Senator Biden, you have the floor.

Joseph Biden Jr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thought this might be a good moment to give the committee a complete history of my heroic sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act, but before I do that I'd like to interrupt myself by mentioning that I ride the train every day, often speaking with regular Americans, but before I do that I'd like to interrupt my interruption of myself by asking the chairman to restrain the nominee. During my first round of questioning, the nominee continually interrupted my questions by trying to give answers. I could barely keep up my train of thought on stare decisis.

Edward Kennedy Starry De Cysis? Didn't she do a fan dance down at that old burlesque house in Providence?

Roberts Mr. Chairman, I certainly don't mean to draw attention to myself, for, as I have said, judges are like umpires - not home plate umpires, but those umpires stuck way out by the right-field foul pole. Nobody ever went to a game to watch the umpires.

But as you know, Judge Ginsburg, during her confirmation hearing, had herself wrapped in duct tape for fear that any involuntary reflex gestures she might make would mar her impartiality in deciding cases later on. Following her example, I have decided to spend the rest of these hearings in a soundproof booth, sunk in a tank of ravenous sharks and accompanied only by the illusionist David Copperfield. But before I go into isolation, I would like to mention the intense modesty I feel at this moment, notwithstanding the fact that not a single one of you slobs could have charged $700 an hour the way I did in private practice.

Richard Durbin Judge Roberts, before you go, one of the ways we in the Senate prove our superior souls is by emoting mawkish sentimentality on cue. Would you please emote sadness and pain on behalf of politically powerful but downtrodden groups?

Roberts I am emoting, senator.

  < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:37.
Apolyton Time is 00:37.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0597 seconds (93.60% PHP - 6.40% MySQL) with 30 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net