21-09-2005 23:45									#31
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They could use placeholder art for that.

	22-09-2005 00:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio No, I'm talking about this graphic:

Heathen! Those are not Civ1 graphics, those are Civ1 for Windows graphics! We didn't have any of that nancy-ass crap in 1991!

	22-09-2005 00:52									#33
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actually a civ2 or 1 graphics style mod would rock...somehow that looks better than cIV

(someone on the cIV graphics team just died reading this)

	22-09-2005 01:04									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Cataphract887 (someone on the cIV graphics team just died reading this)

I'm not so sure I agree though...

	22-09-2005 01:31									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Heathen! Those are not Civ1 graphics, those are Civ1 for Windows graphics! We didn't have any of that nancy-ass crap in 1991!

I know, but I couldn't find the real Civ1 graphics, and was too lazy to search for more than 10 sec to find one

	22-09-2005 02:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Perfect graphics .

C'mon Solver, I'm surprised some of you are asking for *colour* screen: heresy!

I think a black and white graphich, once you chose a good pattern, is good enough for the pure player.

But that's only for newbies coming from RTS game: Real man (and real Ladies) only play as chess master, memorizing game graphic from start and playing it blinded all the game.

IIRC it was a trick teached to prussian officer in school of war, during late XIX century.

	22-09-2005 02:39									#37
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OK, I may be not hardcore enough for not wanting text-mode games that only use glyphs .

Seriously, though, Civ1 is, in a way, my definition of perfect graphics for a strategy game. Very easy to overview a sizeable area, everything is very easy to tell apart, and you instantly know what tiles are what and contain what, what and where are the units on the map, etc. Functionality wise, it's perfect indeed.

	22-09-2005 03:39									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Seriously, though, Civ1 is, in a way, my definition of perfect graphics for a strategy game.

true. and it should be only natural that snoopy took civ1 as the first point of orientation for his graphic mod

	22-09-2005 03:47									#39
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Clarity of information by simple graphics is good!
OTOH, pretty but vague graphics can lead to mistaken values. Such mistakes can lead to greater realism! For the player taking the role-playing perspective, this is also good.
That's the POV I like to take.

Not so good perhaps, for someone that is just "playing the game" or prioritizing a high score.

	22-09-2005 17:47									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Solver OK, I may be not hardcore enough for not wanting text-mode games that only use glyphs .

A lovely idea! Civ on ASCII graphics!

quote: Originally posted by Solver Seriously, though, Civ1 is, in a way, my definition of perfect graphics for a strategy game. Very easy to overview a sizeable area, everything is very easy to tell apart, and you instantly know what tiles are what and contain what, what and where are the units on the map, etc. Functionality wise, it's perfect indeed.

You know I always speak about maps vs. terrain.

You want perfect map, and you have a clear idea of the result: you can travel all the globe on instrument and just following good enough map. Did you end enjoying the voyage, without actually using any window on the real world?
Well, I hope so for you, but I'm sure that's not the cup of tea of everyone else.

I also remember that original Civ had quite limited different resources and units to manage with simple graphics, while Civ IV seem a bit more complex.
I'm thinking right now that we surely can write any Shakespeare or (put your favourite author here) tragedy using morse code. The message will be clear and complete: I'm not sure about the enjoynment

Ok, if not for the performance hit, it should be good to have available a button to change graphic on a touch, like we can with that model Earth globe for the desktop: with the light turned off we can see the geographic world, while lightening it politics border show up and countries are coloured on the surface of the globe.

Click: detailed Civ IV graphics, Click: flat symbol for hardcore player like Solver. We both win

	22-09-2005 19:29									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Well, but what about all those new things to build that we don't have graphics for then?

I could make them, infact, I have been thinking of actually attempting Civ1 graphics on Civ4 (coz it would be really easy to do and fun to have)

	22-09-2005 21:19									#42
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Trees on mountains, especially on lower elevations.

Some random trees on plains and grasslands.

	22-09-2005 21:30									#43
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Or to put it another way

Rome Total War-esque

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	22-09-2005 21:39									#44
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quote: Ok, if not for the performance hit, it should be good to have available a button to change graphic on a touch, like we can with that model Earth globe for the desktop: with the light turned off we can see the geographic world, while lightening it politics border show up and countries are coloured on the surface of the globe. Click: detailed Civ IV graphics, Click: flat symbol for hardcore player like Solver. We both win

Actually, one of the upcoming feautures I like is zooming. I like it if I can zoom out for a real good overview of my lands!

	22-09-2005 21:45									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I have been thinking of actually attempting Civ1 graphics on Civ4 (coz it would be really easy to do and fun to have)

seeing 2d icons of horsemen run around a 3d map might be fun in theory and for a very short time, but do you think this would be worth all the work? what we really need is your realism mod! please that first! (pleeeaaaase) *cough*

	22-09-2005 22:00									#46
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Or to put it another way Rome Total War-esque

	22-09-2005 22:02									#47
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quote: Rome Total War

quote: I could make them, infact, I have been thinking of actually attempting Civ1 graphics on Civ4 (coz it would be really easy to do and fun to have)