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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:37
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Post in this threads your reasons for/against having the OT 2 thread limit removed. Hopefully, the management will listen.
My reasons were laid out in a thread on the OT that was deleted. The mods' reason: spam. Given that there was little spam in the thread and a serious attempt by myself to steer the discussion toward fruitful results. The point of that thread was to determine if the 2 thread limit truly was effective in reducing spam. Until its deletion, the results were an overwhelming, no.
So here I will lay out my reasons for the removal of the 2 thread limit:
1. It is only enforced by active mods deleting or closing extra threads. Bannings occur on occasion. This issue leads to several problematic results of the 2 thread limit.
A. Any poster is free to post as many threads as they like in the OT. They can spam the entire first page if they wish. They can do this with or without the 2 thread limit. The end result is the same, the threads are closed or deleted and the poster maybe banned.
B. In a period where mod abuse is becoming more frequent, the 2 thread limit is an ideal weapon for an insecure mod, since it is entirely mod supported. While mods are supposed to impartially deal with the extra threads in order of posting, I've seen a mod disregard that and selectively close threads that he disagrees with. The apology and request for a different thread closure of the threads' creator went ignored. In this case, the additional threads were created by accident. Then, of course, is the issuing of banning. It's too easy for a mod to use this to ban a poster he doesn't like. We've already seen such unjust banning for less based on personal bias.
2. Most posters don't post more than a thread a day or less. I, myself, only post a few a month, usually grouped around the same time period, when I have free time. One day a poster may have three topics they have time to discuss.
3. Most posters do care about Apolyton and have no desire to harm the forums themselves. The 2 thread limit, however, treats these posters as if they are children with no selfcontrol. It is insulting to the general populace here. It demeans their love for apolyton and disrespects their status as human beings.
As my poll in the previous thread indicated, there will be no negative change to the OT, if the 2 thread limit is removed. It doesn't prevent the true griefers who will spam anyway, and the regular posters probably won't post much more than 1-3 threads in the period of one day, anyway. However, removing the 2 thread limit, will also removed a potential area of mod abuse, which will lessen complaints and create a freer and more comfortable environment in Apolyton. In addition, removing it will treat the posters here as responsible participants. Posters who are treated as responsible adults will act in such a way, while posters who are treated as children will behave as such. Removing the 2 thread limit will improve the general self-esteem of Apolyton posters, which may actually reduce problems in other areas as well.
I invite others to share their opinions on this rule, and ask the management to seriously consider whether the 2 thead limit is truly consistent with the vision of Apolyton.
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Ming
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Originally posted by DaShi
So here I will lay out my reasons for the removal of the 2 thread limit:
1. It is only enforced by active mods deleting or closing extra threads. Bannings occur on occasion. This issue leads to several problematic results of the 2 thread limit.
A. Any poster is free to post as many threads as they like in the OT. They can spam the entire first page if they wish. They can do this with or without the 2 thread limit. The end result is the same, the threads are closed or deleted and the poster maybe banned.
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No... the end result isn't the same. The majority of people follow the rules. When somebody doesn't, it gets noticed quickly and we can take quicker action against the violation because the rules violation is clear.
If it wasn't against the rule, people could create five or six "marginal" threads, then whine like stuck pigs and claim they weren't spamming...
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B. In a period where mod abuse is becoming more frequent, the 2 thread limit is an ideal weapon for an insecure mod, since it is entirely mod supported. While mods are supposed to impartially deal with the extra threads in order of posting, I've seen a mod disregard that and selectively close threads that he disagrees with. The apology and request for a different thread closure of the threads' creator went ignored. In this case, the additional threads were created by accident. Then, of course, is the issuing of banning. It's too easy for a mod to use this to ban a poster he doesn't like. We've already seen such unjust banning for less based on personal bias.
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As Mark said... please point out when somebody was banned for actually starting a third thread by accident. When somebody does get banned for starting a third thread by accident in the future, feel free to bring that up again. Your whole "it's too easy for a mod to use this to a ban a poster" is crap 
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2. Most posters don't post more than a thread a day or less. I, myself, only post a few a month, usually grouped around the same time period, when I have free time. One day a poster may have three topics they have time to discuss.
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Before the rule was in place... many people liked to play the game of "how many threads" can I start. Granted, the majority of people didn't, and as you say, start only a few threads.. but you can blame the posters for why this rule was inacted in the first place. As usually the case, rules are inacted for a real reason
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3. Most posters do care about Apolyton and have no desire to harm the forums themselves. The 2 thread limit, however, treats these posters as if they are children with no selfcontrol. It is insulting to the general populace here. It demeans their love for apolyton and disrespects their status as human beings.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA... well, some don't have self control. And as stated above, that's why the rule HAD to be put in place to begin with. Like most things in life, the majority of people usually aren't the problem. But there are people here who continue to spam this site.
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As my poll in the previous thread indicated, there will be no negative change to the OT, if the 2 thread limit is removed. It doesn't prevent the true griefers who will spam anyway, and the regular posters probably won't post much more than 1-3 threads in the period of one day, anyway.
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The regular posters aren't really the problem. But now you are putting the mods into a position of judging the "value" of each thread... And what then becomes the definition of spam... is it 5 threads with little value, three threads with no value... 10 threads, even though they might have value but the intent is to take over the first page... The 2 thread limit is a clear and understandable rule... and easy to enforce.
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However, removing the 2 thread limit, will also removed a potential area of mod abuse, which will lessen complaints and create a freer and more comfortable environment in Apolyton.
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Actually... you are adding more potential for mod abuse.
The current rule is simple and there is no "judgement/opinion" involved. Without a rule in place, now mod opinion comes into play... and if we believe your "mods are abusing people" line... you are just offering another chance for it to happen.
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In addition, removing it will treat the posters here as responsible participants. Posters who are treated as responsible adults will act in such a way, while posters who are treated as children will behave as such.
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Again... please remember that the rule was put into place for a reason. And there are still nights where people spam... when the posters were treated as responsible and there was no limit... they abused it.
So much for that argument
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Removing the 2 thread limit will improve the general self-esteem of Apolyton posters, which may actually reduce problems in other areas as well.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... yeah, right
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I invite others to share their opinions on this rule, and ask the management to seriously consider whether the 2 thead limit is truly consistent with the vision of Apolyton. |
I'm sure Mark and Dan will read the opinions and as always, seriously consider what people say.
But again, please remember that originally, they didn't restrict the number of threads... and people abused it.
You have stated no reasons or support points to indicate why things would be any different now than they were before.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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I suggest that no more than two of my threads be deleted in a day.
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Ming
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Originally posted by DaShi
That's not hostility. That's statement of cold hard fact. Mod abuse has been more frequent. If it doesn't rain for months in a desert, but then rains for a few days, I consider that more frequent.
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That's an "opinion"... not a cold hard fact.
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As for the insecure mod, I have my suspicions, but I clearly stated that it was a potential abuse, thus a potential situation. It's not hostile to any mods, unless they happen to be insecure.
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I think the term suspicions sums this up
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As for the unjust banning, that again is statement of fact.
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Again... opinion, not fact.
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Perhaps it was dealt with behind closed doors, but the surge of avatars representing the abuse at the time clearly put it in a position of being unjust. |
Again... opinion, not fact. Just because he lined up some people to support his cause by using avatars doesn't make it fact. But it does proves that there are gullible people out there
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Colon
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Antwerp, Colon's Chocolate Canard Country
Jan 1970
time: 06:37
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Dear Dashi, I shall counter your propisition to petition a removal of the two thread limit rule, firstly by refuting the arguments laid out by you, and secondly by exhibiting supportive arguments of my own. And finally, by presenting a proposition of my own.
Your arguments were the following:
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1. It is only enforced by active mods deleting or closing extra threads. |
I must reject this argument by pointing out that the moderators of Apolyton Civilization Site do not have inactive periods as a team. They are situated on three continents across the globe, they have access to internet twenty-four on seven and they are fully committed to neglect their families and day-time jobs to fulfil their duty as moderator.
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2. Most posters don't post more than a thread a day or less. |
This group of Apolyton Civilization Forums users you are referring towards does not represent a group that creates most of the content of the Off-Topic section in the Apolyton Civilization Forums. The rule is directed towards a small, over-hyperactive group of Apolyton Civilization Forums users that have wired directly linked to their braincells in order to translate every thought into a post or a thread. It is in order to cull this group that the limit exists.
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3. Most posters do care about Apolyton and have no desire to harm the forums themselves. |
Most Apolyton Civilization Forums users, yet not all Apolyton Civilization Forums users. There exists a menacing minority that does desire to harm the forums, and however small this group may be, it must be culled. In this regard, I refer you to terrorists, who, despite the fact they're a miniscule band, are dangerous to the fabric of society. We must not and cannot exclusively rely on the good intentions of the majority.
Now I shall bring forward supportive arguments.
I. The two thread limit rule emits an unmistakable indication that nonsensical over-posting is socially unacceptable behaviour. Moreover, it encourages Apolyton Civilization Forums users to create more meaningful and constructive threads.
II. While Apolyton Civilization Forums users who nonsensically over-post cannot be restrained from posting in existing threads, then at least they can be restrained from creating new breeding grounds for their nonsensical over-posting.
III. It does not affect the majority of the Apolyton Civilization Forums users, who are decent, law-abiding folks, who do not have a desire to profilate themselves on virtual clectronic communities. If the two thread limit rule does not benefit, then at least it does harm either.
And finally I present to you my own proposal.
I propose that all Apolyton Civilization Forums users are limited in the number of posts they may rightfully create each day, in order to cull the menacious minority's nonsensical over-posting behaviour more effectively.
Kind regards
Last edited by Colon on 16-09-2005 at 21:03
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