16-09-2005 05:29									#1
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Has there been any information about air combat released? I thought I heard something about how it'd be different than it was in Civ3, but nothing beyond that.

	16-09-2005 05:37									#2
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Other than the fact that Tanks can beat spearmen, I don't think anything beyond the very early Industrial age has been discussed.

	16-09-2005 06:43									#3
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no industrial talk yet that i have seen

	16-09-2005 08:16									#4
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They can't show us everything, dont you think. The surprise factor must be in every game.

	16-09-2005 09:44									#5
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	16-09-2005 09:44									#6
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I'd like to discover it when I get to it in the game

	16-09-2005 10:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GAZ082 They can't show us everything, dont you think. The surprise factor must be in every game.

Yes, but a lot of talk has been generated about units gaining "special abilities" thru combat. You'd think some examples would be provided for units other than infantry.
So, would a/c get unit advancements for, say "air-to-air combat", or "air-to-ground" operations? And what about heli's?

I guess I'll be looking for feedback on this early on after the game's release, as well as seeing what the mod'ing capabilities are for governing the AI's aerial abilities.


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	16-09-2005 17:01									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan Yes, but a lot of talk has been generated about units gaining "special abilities" thru combat. You'd think some examples would be provided for units other than infantry. So, would a/c get unit advancements for, say "air-to-air combat", or "air-to-ground" operations? And what about heli's? I guess I'll be looking for feedback on this early on after the game's release, as well as seeing what the mod'ing capabilities are for governing the AI's aerial abilities. D

I'm sure I've read that air units are different than ground and sea units as far as promotions go

	16-09-2005 17:23									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sabre2th I'm sure I've read that air units are different than ground and sea units as far as promotions go

Yes, I remember the same line. I suppose it could be too strange to improve an air unit for "fighting in jungle", but you can try do improve some plane on dogfighting, bombing, reconnaince duty...

I mean, they have surely managed naval unit in a different promotion ranking, aren't they? A boat with a plus for defending while in a jungle seems strange enough, IMO.

	16-09-2005 17:38									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Yes, I remember the same line. I suppose it could be too strange to improve an air unit for "fighting in jungle", but you can try do improve some plane on dogfighting, bombing, reconnaince duty...

Have there been comments/ feedback specifically to this effect?

quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith I mean, they have surely managed naval unit in a different promotion ranking, aren't they?

I agree. But here again I have to ask the question "have there been comments/ feedback specifically to this effect", and if so, what are the improvements available to these units?

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	16-09-2005 18:13									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan Have there been comments/ feedback specifically to this effect? (...) I agree. But here again I have to ask the question "have there been comments/ feedback specifically to this effect", and if so, what are the improvements available to these units?

Not at my best knowledge. I was only thinking about the few words that Firaxis mentioned.

	16-09-2005 18:23									#12
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The only thing I've read on air combat is that bombardment would be a combination of all the Civ games.

	18-09-2005 06:48									#13
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aerial bombards missing

	18-09-2005 20:40									#14
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Not so much missing as failing to do anything. It still happens.

	19-09-2005 18:54									#15
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I think it was Civ2 that allowed blocking of access to squares by simply deploying air units to that square. Maybe Civ4 will combine that somehow with the Civ3 bombardment.

	19-09-2005 20:35									#16
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SMAC has that feature as well.

	19-09-2005 21:22									#17
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My hope is that the helicopters are done better. The way we often use helicopters now is typically to drop in special force troops and then get them out safely. If I remember things right from CivIII, you could send in your special forces, but it was a bit like a suicide mission. Drop some marines behind lines to cut a resource and then write off the marines next turn. One way trip. It would be nice to see this remedied somewhat.

	20-09-2005 02:08									#18
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quote: Originally posted by PapaMonkey My hope is that the helicopters are done better. (...) Drop some marines behind lines to cut a resource and then write off the marines next turn. One way trip. It would be nice to see this remedied somewhat.

Good point. We should have a "back to home" kind of a mission: e.g we should select an empty 'copter and "drop it" on a deployed unit. It'll reload it and bring it back to city.

	20-09-2005 03:52									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Philotas I think it was Civ2 that allowed blocking of access to squares by simply deploying air units to that square. Maybe Civ4 will combine that somehow with the Civ3 bombardment.

An Air Unit obstacle is meaningless, if not intended as ground support and managed more or less like fast units opportunity fire (if you try to pass near a fast unit, that fast unit try to hit you into the same turn.

As for setting fighter on "scramble on enemy attack, we should be able to set a "bomb on ground enemy in range", "or let you set a target (e.g. a 9 tiles square) and put bomber on "ground support". If any enemy unit show on the target square the bomber automatically take off and try an opportunity strike on the enemy.

I'd enjoy to have cannon and artillery able to be set on same "opportunity mode", too.

	20-09-2005 04:24									#20
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Ground interdiction to prevent movement by air or artillery are generally done differently. Aircraft would loiter above the area waiting for traffic to appear; artillery would continuously bombard the road, though not with a heavy barrage.

	21-09-2005 22:22									#21
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The new screenshots on gamespot show a helicopter that has a movement of 4. Looks a very good thing to me

	21-09-2005 23:08									#22
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Finally, a chopper with the right movement coming from Firaxis! (see SMAC choppers )

	22-09-2005 04:20									#23
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in one of the screenies look liked something to do with a cargo helo

was not a unit, but in a small box

maybe some kind of option

cargo/attack

trying to find it