16-09-2005 08:45									#1
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a pattern of 1x1 with forests and boreholes with the forest being replaced by condensers is optimal. by crawlering the condensers and using workers on the boreholes,you can use thinkers\engineers and have much more econ and speed than an opponent using a 2x2 grid,for example. any lack of minerals in the endgame can be made up for by shell upgrading.

	16-09-2005 13:14									#2
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Are you claiming this is true? Asking for information about ICS? Something else?

Anyway, a 1x1 pattern has significant weaknesses, but packing bases fairly tightly yields large rewards. As I see it, this is the result of bureaucracy drones being too easy to ignore.

	16-09-2005 15:13									#3
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Do I detect a troll?

	16-09-2005 16:10									#4
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im simply saying i feel that a 1x1 is so strong that there is little reason to do else.yes,i desire alternate scenarios. it might get boring to always do the same

senethro...

	16-09-2005 18:34									#5
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Where's Cata? argue with him

	16-09-2005 19:56									#7
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Koriand'r, perhaps you would care to furnish us with concrete examples and save games of ICS being too powerful?

	16-09-2005 20:10									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Senethro Do I detect a troll?

No, just a guy who wishes his bases to be roll(ed) over pretty easily.

	16-09-2005 21:53									#9
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thanks for the replies.all the info i required

	16-09-2005 22:04									#10
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quote: Where's Cata? argue with him

working on it

actually i argue with kori all the time off the boards,in RL
of course you know i prefer a 2x2 for more flexibility as well as its just plain betterness.
*cough* i do beleive you were arguing for a simliar 1x1 in emails\CGN sen? what happaned to those savs you promised?

	16-09-2005 22:25									#11
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I promised you them but was waiting until you had something to compare them with.

	16-09-2005 22:29									#12
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oh so now i need to have comparison games?

im not playing any SP games at the moment

	16-09-2005 22:31									#13
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I smell something familiar..

	16-09-2005 22:45									#14
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im gonna post something in some obscure thread one day just to see if you appear like a magical geenie lol

	16-09-2005 22:46									#15
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yes bin im cata the guy who has exchanged about a zillion PMs with you...? ya know

*waves hand in front of bins face*

	16-09-2005 22:47									#16
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whats wrong with the way i smell btw?

	16-09-2005 22:48									#17
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Don't get me started.

	16-09-2005 23:03									#18
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Cataphract, considering that I've got games for comparison and you don't, it would be standard procedure for you to provide a game of your style of base spacing that shows the inferiority of ICS.

Its your move bud.

	16-09-2005 23:06									#19
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that would take effort

actually im to busy to even care\do it(i spent an hour on cgn 23 alone ) but someday sen ill have some savs.

Last edited by Cataphract887 on 17-09-2005 at 05:43

	17-09-2005 04:23									#20
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ICS's biggest vulnerability in the mid to late game is to Planet Busters. The closer you're packed, the more that'll go boom.

In the early game, it's to a simple rover rush. Opponents could potentially take as many as 3 bases a turn per rover, assuming the usual lack of defenders that comes standard with ICS, and unless you've already got your crawler teams up, you're not putting out enough mins or energy to get defenders up quick enough before you're overrun.

Really, the best way IMO to defeat ICS is to simply keep harassing the player with short, small attacks to divert his resources and interest. Avoid treaties or pacts, they'll only help them more than it helps you, gang up against them with other players if possible, and keep chipping away at their empire until they crumble.

	17-09-2005 04:45									#21
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They're certainly heavily dependant on formers. Early scouting of people, ignoring borders should let you know if former harrassment is required or not.

	17-09-2005 07:05									#22
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I kinda dislike ICS. After reading some recent remarks in one of the threads, I wish to test anti-ICS mod. some people have good ideas how to do it, however, there are benefits/per base that are pro-ICS. Overall, hard to counterweigh ICSing. To hinder it is more likely.

	17-09-2005 15:30									#23
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bah whats wrong with ICS ? its hard enough for the poor Hive to keep up with the pop booming factions tech rates

	18-09-2005 20:37									#24
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in cIV for our LAN group i think im going to try a thing called squalor off of RTW,and also implement floating point popluations for tax purposes. basicly 1x1 placing will make the most squalor and going 2x2 is less,and something like 3x3 or more would have very little\

have you seen that civ3 mod that had the railroads as metropolises? i want to implement that so that the cities bloat out,and also mondo vertical improvement buildings

also make the game playable in 100 turns like smac for stretegic depth

a serious post from cata!

	19-09-2005 09:38									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lazerus bah whats wrong with ICS ? its hard enough for the poor Hive to keep up with the pop booming factions tech rates

My eyes hurt from that close packed pattern when I look into a world map when someone is ICSing
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And how about GA pop boom in Hive? Is there any reason it would not work? I cant remember now

	19-09-2005 10:32									#26
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-2 econ probably.

	19-09-2005 10:48									#27
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Wel, counter it with extra crawlers harvesting energy.

Econ is only good for peacefull factions anyway.

	19-09-2005 13:46									#28
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quote: whats wrong with the way i smell btw?

Not you..

quote: Econ is only good for peacefull factions anyway.

Truth, I see you!

	20-09-2005 10:16									#29
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Excuse me, I'm a newbie to Alpha Centauri/Crossfire, but at the risk of sounding rather ignorant, what does ICS mean? For that matter, is there a list of common acronyms that I might find somewhere?

	20-09-2005 10:26									#30
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