17-09-2005 02:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Put healthy stuff in the vending machines. Problem solved.

	17-09-2005 02:06									#32
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yeah, sometimes school food sucks, but I had rather good food and tasty meals. No reason why this shouldn't be possible everywhere else if there's will and money.

Besides when it comes to choices, we all know that when kids are out and stuff, they don't go eating healthy food, they go eat junk food. They choose junk food on their spare time, so how about healthy food in school because for many it seems like it could be the only place to GET healty food.

And then there is this whole mcdonalds and others campagns, like look at these nutritional facts. YEAh, but how many kids can really understand them? If you eat a burger and some fries with it, it's ok, but when that's all you eat, well.. don't think you're eating healthy food beacuse the tray says so. If it gives you this much calories, and we look at the kid, well that should be his/her 70% of the whole days worth. Is that all he/she eats? NO! So they'll go past the limits all the time, every time, and that's why they get fat.

And when you get a fat kid, it's most likely fat forever, because it's tougher to get fat as a kid when you move and consume so much. So it's more worrying anyway.

Basically what you are looking at here is poor Return of Investment right here, if we need to talk business.

	17-09-2005 02:08									#33
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The ROCE for the schools isn't great either, but wonderful for the companies.

	17-09-2005 02:12									#34
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Kids > Companies.

And that's not even communist statement. Anyone who says that its' commie to say that is out of their minds and hating the kids.

	17-09-2005 02:14									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Kids > Companies.

Why do you hate America Pekka?

	17-09-2005 02:16									#36
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Kids = America's future.

On the contrary, I clearly like it more than company lobbyists and politicians, trying to make your kids sick and ill and bad future tax payers.

	17-09-2005 02:29									#37
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First of all no one has even mentioned the second half of the equation, physical activity. Could that have something to do with the fact that this is an internet forum?

	17-09-2005 02:32									#38
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Is physical activity like when you've got a cigarette in one hand, and are trying to use the other to stretch to press shift and Y together?

I agree, but the rubbish served in schools is hardly shaping the kids for pro sports is it?

	17-09-2005 02:37									#39
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Ben I thought about it but that would have been a little threadjacksih..

Besides phys ed takes away valuable school time schools simply MUST have to teach other subjects to make the grade on standardized tests...

Americans of all age groups are fatasses. This new law doesn't solve any root problems except loses money for schools...

	17-09-2005 02:39									#40
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oh but it does solve one of the root problems. And yes, physical ed can't hog too much time from other subjects I would agree. THUS special need for proper nutrition.

	17-09-2005 02:42									#41
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It's not what we eat or if kids are playing basketball for a half hour every day in school...

I think the biggest root of the problem is car culture

I know people who will drive three houses down the street

	17-09-2005 02:45									#42
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NO these are all problems and nutrition from hell SURELY IS a root problem. Cars too. But so is nutrition.

There's two sides to heatlhy body. Nutrition and moving. There's no 'this is mor eimportant screw this'. They are ALL important and contribute to it all.

Don't make excuses here not to spend money on this. Don't hate the kids

	17-09-2005 02:45									#43
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quote: Ben I thought about it but that would have been a little threadjacksih.. Besides phys ed takes away valuable school time schools simply MUST have to teach other subjects to make the grade on standardized tests...

The problem I think is not in the time spent in PE, but in the wasted class time poorly spent. The point about a car culture is very true also, my younger brother always asks for a ride to the neighbours house down the road! I'm like, dude, you can walk.

	17-09-2005 05:44									#44
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Put healthy stuff in the vending machines. Problem solved.

We have it here. Many vending machines in schools now sell apples and things like that. It's a serious improvement, as we've been quite hurt by teen obesity recently.

	17-09-2005 13:40									#45
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I cannot remember which issue it was, but US News and World Report already did a largish article on this earlier this year. No big pronouncements, New York City has already been doing this for several years.

They got an excellent chef who also knows his food science, and put him in charge. He is requiring the companies selling to the schools to provide healthy and tasty food, as well as requiring the on site food preparation to meet the same standards. He provides menus, tells the companies what to prepare and how to do it, and just generally reforming the entire school cafeteria system. They found the right man, put him in charge, and gave him the authority. A very fimple and fiendishly difficult (I am NOT being sarcastic) solution.

	17-09-2005 14:00									#46
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Man, we didn't have vending machines in our school.

	17-09-2005 17:28									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Kids > Companies.

SUPERCITIZEN ON A ROLL!!!

	17-09-2005 17:29									#48
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc I cannot remember which issue it was, but US News and World Report already did a largish article on this earlier this year. No big pronouncements, New York City has already been doing this for several years. They got an excellent chef who also knows his food science, and put him in charge. He is requiring the companies selling to the schools to provide healthy and tasty food, as well as requiring the on site food preparation to meet the same standards. He provides menus, tells the companies what to prepare and how to do it, and just generally reforming the entire school cafeteria system. They found the right man, put him in charge, and gave him the authority. A very fimple and fiendishly difficult (I am NOT being sarcastic) solution.

Yeah, it's really not that hard. It's just people getting past this whole ROI/Capitalist BS that has to justify EVERYTHING.

OMG it's not making a profit we're ****ed!!!!

	17-09-2005 17:50									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yeah, it's really not that hard. It's just people getting past this whole ROI/Capitalist BS that has to justify EVERYTHING. OMG it's not making a profit we're ****ed!!!!

The approach that Jamie Oliver tried was to attempt to educate the pupils about the different types of food available, and to involve them in making dishes and preparing vegetables.


When he showed them the meat slurry that went into making some of the meat items on the menu, they were disgusted.

The schools involved also reported that on a healthier diet the children's behaviour improved as did their attention spans- and some of the parents reported that whereas their offspring had previously exhibited the kind of behaviour associated with sugar rushes and attention deficit disorder, on the improved diet this was no longer the case.

Still, it's so much easier and cost effective to feed your kids cheap crap, treat them with more chemicals to combat their responses to additives and dyes, manage their juvenile diabetes, and treat them in later life for adult onset diabetes, and morbid obesity than to educate them about their diets.

	17-09-2005 18:12									#50
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what's wrong with good meat?

	17-09-2005 21:23									#51
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I don't see the need to remove the machines, just jack up the prices to movie theater or theme park pricing.

You'll have reduced consumption and huge amounts of money for sports and other acitivities.

	17-09-2005 23:19									#52
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Some schools in Glasgow have resorted to giving away free Xboxes and iPods to encourage healthy eating. Each child is given a swipe card, and they can accrue points based on their eating habits. 100 healthy meals would earn enough points for an iPod.

Glasgow council think it'll save money in the long run, by changing eating habits.

	17-09-2005 23:21									#53
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iPod for doing the right thing? That's no behavioral education. How about do the right thing or get punched in the stomach!! You disgusting fatbody, MOVE, MOVE, or I kill you!

They should eat healthy beacause they want to, not because they get free stuff if they do..

Though even that's better than no action, so I guess that's semi thumb up.

	18-09-2005 18:46									#54
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I wonder if Jacques Pepin is available...