18-09-2005 07:56									#1
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BoH now has the save. Expect it soon.

No Battle Report from AM, so we will see what is going on this turn.

Pot will have a Horse this turn and IT and Bab will be 1/2 finished on next ones. New Settler should be built in GoT. Will start another Spearman, I think, before next settler.

E_T

	18-09-2005 22:22									#2
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Save is here.

E_T

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	18-09-2005 22:58									#3
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First Impressions:

AM sent Peace, without Accepting. Cleared table.

AM WC 4/5 Binky is now on the Iron. He Pillaged the road to it. Oh well, he will be the first to die this turn, it would seem.

E_T

	18-09-2005 23:15									#4
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Waking Horseman (3/3) "Gonna get some" from stack and move him 8 and Attack (4/5) WC Binky. Takes 3 wounds, Kills Binky and Promoted to Vet, now (2/4). Automatically moves onto Iron.

Bowman E_T moves 4 to join Him.

They see:
3 AM Slaves at Felinicity 9
Vet Pike Forted in Felinicity.

Now sounds like a time to try for the Iron again.

Moving BWorker 036 to Iron, will colonize next turn.

Horseman "Run, run as fast as you can" forted, will watch for any AM or BoH troop movments.

E_T

	19-09-2005 00:07									#5
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Vet Spear, at IT 7-7 moves to "Stack" and Forts.

New Horseman, in PoT, Remaned "Attrition", moves 6-8, with other small stack.

Bowman Kloreep, at "Stack", Forts.

Vet Spear, at Small Stack, Forts.

I might do something totally wacky, but this might work.

E_T

	19-09-2005 00:11									#6
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I'm thinking that we can Recapture the 3 workers, with one of the Horsemen. Reasons for this:

Gives them an additional 2 Targets to go after, besides Units on Iron and the Stack. Hopefully, split their Forses.

Let me know what you think, if anyone is reading it. I'll wait about 10 to 15 minutes before continuing.

E_T

	19-09-2005 00:54									#7
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E_T, I'm awake and alive out here. Without looking at the save yet, I would say that we are in dire and critical need of workers. If you can scarf some back with only moderate risk, then go for it.

I'm trying to visualize the iron situation. Hopefully you have it crowded with troops.

Didn't we have a settler coming out this turn? Where's he going?

Are you going to offer peace back to AM after dropping on iron and taking the workers back?

BTW, I sent the message to LN, your address bounced back and I don't have Beta's. No reply at all. Wind whistling over sand is all I hear. I'll keep trying.

	19-09-2005 01:20									#8
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OK, now that I've looked at the save, I see the workers. They are pretty deep in there - I'm guessing that we will sacrifice our horseman if he goes in there to rescue them. Will you back the workers onto the hill and put some defenders on them?

If horseman, "Runas fast as you can" is the one off to the east in that sort of valley, maybe he could scout north instead of sitting idle. It is a little risk but I'm guessing that the AMs are funneling troops further west for the iron battle. Plus, if he shows up outside of that city, it will give them yet one more reason to divide their forces and will make our peace overtures much more appealing. Thoughts?

	19-09-2005 01:36									#9
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In mean time, I'll finish up domestic stuff.

BWorker 810 Mines.
BWorker 580 Mines.
BWorker 643 Roads.

New Setter, in GoT, moves towards Babylon.

Babylon - 2nd turn on 2 turn Horseman. NC in WF.
Inanna's Throne - 2nd turn on 2 turn Horseman. NC in WF.
Silktown (remaned to Icelandia) - Changed WF to 2 (silks), Cat finishing next turn.
Garden of Tammuz - Starting on Warrior (1 turn). WF changed to 1-6-8-18-19. This gives no Growth, but good trade and 1 turn Warriors.
Potamia - Building Warrior (1 turn). No Change in WF.
Kurra - Switched to Warrior (next turn). No Change in WF.
Hookah (grew this turn) - Building Settler (turn 2 of 4), Starting WF 1-7-16-19, changing WF to 1-7-18-19.

Domestics done.

E_T

	19-09-2005 01:42									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Bear OK, now that I've looked at the save, I see the workers. They are pretty deep in there - I'm guessing that we will sacrifice our horseman if he goes in there to rescue them. Will you back the workers onto the hill and put some defenders on them? If horseman, "Runas fast as you can" is the one off to the east in that sort of valley, maybe he could scout north instead of sitting idle. It is a little risk but I'm guessing that the AMs are funneling troops further west for the iron battle. Plus, if he shows up outside of that city, it will give them yet one more reason to divide their forces and will make our peace overtures much more appealing. Thoughts?

I would rather keep him as watch for any AM thrust from that direction. Plus, if will give us some small warning, if BoH sends troops this way. I could move him now, but he can't get to Iron hill this turn.

I'll think about it before I send off the save.

E_T

	19-09-2005 01:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Bear OK, now that I've looked at the save, I see the workers. They are pretty deep in there - I'm guessing that we will sacrifice our horseman if he goes in there to rescue them. Will you back the workers onto the hill and put some defenders on them?

Also, if I move units to cover the workers, that further invites Defeat in Detail. Whereas, if Ijust leave them out hangning, , then they first have to recapture them and that would keep a fast mover from possibly attacking Iron stack (and them surviving).

I also want to keep Units at the main stack location, because that will allow them to keep AM from coming that route. I only have so many Units to position....

E_T

	19-09-2005 01:57									#12
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O.k., waking Horseman "you are Complete FOOLS" and moving to capture Workers.

Workers Recaptured. Horseman sees:
2 AM Vet MI's across River, on roade headed to Felinicity.
Also sees AM Vet Pike on Hill with 4 Slaves, on completed road (knew it was finished last turn).

Going to move all 3 onto hills in 6 direction. They have to hit them with a fast mover. Any other direction would be allowing them to hit with slowmover.

Will post last moves in moment.

E_T

	19-09-2005 02:13									#13
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Moving Spear from Kurra to IT, in anticipation of Iron Upgrade next turn.

This also allows me to drop the 10% Lux just 100% tax. If we get Iron and can keep it, next turn, ten we start on the Research.

305 gold in Bank, +54 GPT.

Moving Shogun Bowman from stack to Iron.
Moving 2 Vet Spears from stack to Iron.

I think that will be enough. I don;t want to leave the Cats too Undefended, if they attack across the River.

And I think that I will move Run, run as fast as you can towards Iron. Moving him 2-1.

That's it, I hope that we won't be open for Defeat in Detail, but I'm not certain....

E_T

	19-09-2005 02:33									#14
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Saving game.

Get out your Prayer beeds people, this is going to be the make or break point, I think.

E_T

	19-09-2005 03:13									#15
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A good move I think all around. I wonder about moving the workers three different directions so that the vermin would need three different attackers to rake them all in.

I'm wondering if AMs attack has stalled for a moment. I wish we had found that army and ended it.

Now for my revelation of complete ignorance. What directions does "2-1" mean?

	19-09-2005 03:57									#16
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2-1 is a keypad direction. Equivalent to South-Southwest.

	19-09-2005 06:33									#17
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Praying to Inanna.

	19-09-2005 06:41									#18
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Does it then go like:

5
4 6
3 7
2 8
1

?

	19-09-2005 10:36									#19
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It's just like if you move units with the keypad on your computer. (Thus not intuitive if you normally use the mouse, or even if you use the keypad without knowing what numbers are what directions.)

7-8-9
4- -6
1-2-3

	20-09-2005 23:16									#20
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It sounded like an excellent turn. I love the idea of grabbing the workers with the hope of losing them while delaying the AM advance. You must play chess. Let's hope Krill and Ormuzd do not.

GOOD JOB!

	20-09-2005 23:37									#21
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I put a "I hate A-M" bumper sticker on my horse drawn cart.

Good to hear that the accursed iron shortage may be over soon.

	21-09-2005 00:50									#22
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Should we all add that bumper sticker to our sigs, or would that be flaming?

	21-09-2005 01:21									#23
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Never let them see you bleed. Keep smiling and sharpen our knives as well as our wits. (wicked grin)

I look forward to the day that we first trash one of their cities.