18-09-2005 09:16									#1
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Buffalo Soldier passes on

Man this fella lived to be over 111 years old

What stories he must have had to tell

he served under Black Jack Pershing

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	18-09-2005 09:19									#2
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But this has nothing to do with white people!!!!!!!

	18-09-2005 09:21									#3
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George Bush hates black people.

	18-09-2005 09:22									#4
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111? I'd be happy with 80 so he must have known he had lived a good long life.

	18-09-2005 09:26									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun But this has nothing to do with white people!!!!!!!

well.it has to do with serving alongside but more importantly establishing some sort of "bar" other generations could strive for..excellence and courage

shame but your right and this will probably go by the way side for not a lot of people will remember what the Buffalo Soldiers stood for



The Tuskegee Airmen were another generation of barrier breakers even if for a moment in time

	18-09-2005 09:53									#6
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Good thing for you that Verto showed up, so your comment wouldn't look as ignorant in comparison, Mr Fun.

	18-09-2005 09:58									#7
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You have to at least pause and consider what this man has seen through his eyes in this lifetime

amazing

	18-09-2005 10:31									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll well.it has to do with serving alongside but more importantly establishing some sort of "bar" other generations could strive for..excellence and courage shame but your right and this will probably go by the way side for not a lot of people will remember what the Buffalo Soldiers stood for The Tuskegee Airmen were another generation of barrier breakers even if for a moment in time

TUSKEGEE AIRMEN



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	18-09-2005 18:06									#9
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WTF, that dude joined in 1910, was fighting in WWII, and only made it to 1st Sgt !?! That's over 30 friggin' years of service!

	18-09-2005 19:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Good thing for you that Verto showed up, so your comment wouldn't look as ignorant in comparison, Mr Fun.

You take every comment of mine seriously -- lighten up.

	18-09-2005 20:49									#11
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara WTF, that dude joined in 1910, was fighting in WWII, and only made it to 1st Sgt !?! That's over 30 friggin' years of service!

If I'm reading correctly, he made it to "1st Sgt," the highest enlisted man in a given unit, rather than "Sergeant 1st Class," (a five-striper) which is different. He could've been a Chief Master Sergeant and have been the 1st Sergeant of a unit.

	18-09-2005 20:59									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Mao If I'm reading correctly, he made it to "1st Sgt," the highest enlisted man in a given unit, rather than "Sergeant 1st Class," (a five-striper) which is different. He could've been a Chief Master Sergeant and have been the 1st Sergeant of a unit.

This is almost correct

sorry

Im a vet

1st Sgt is equivalent to a Master Sgt which depend upon the billeting assignment

Sgt Major/csm/sma is the highest rank one can obtain (well you could be THE sgt Major)

Enlisted Rank

No Insignia
Private
(PVT) E-1 Private
(PV2)E-2
Private First Class(PFC)E-3
Specialist (SPC)E-4
Corporal (CPL)E-4

Sergeant (SGT)E-5
Staff Sergeant(SSG)E-6
Sergeant First Class (SFC)E-7
Master Sergeant(MSG)E-8
First Sergeant(1SG)E-8

Sergeant Major(SGM)E-9
Command Sergeant Major(CSM)E-9
Sergeant Major of the Army(SMA)

I just went back and edited these as when I copied them the lines ran off center

	18-09-2005 21:06									#13
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Yeah, but he didn't attain that rank until the 2nd WW, unless the article is worded poorly.

	18-09-2005 21:41									#14
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I'm not sure that the rank Sargent Major existed in the US Army in the first half of the 20th century.

	18-09-2005 21:55									#15
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Really. That's interesting Troll. I'd always been under the impression that technically any NCO could be the first sergeant of a unit. A master sergeant or the like could be the first sergeant of a given unit, signified by a diamond between his stripes, right? Or, a staff sergeant or sergeant first class could even be a unit's first sergeant, couldn't he? I didn't know it was a grade in and of itself. Kinda like a captain or a major or whathaveyou could be CC of a company/battalion for his rank, but his grade would be different.

Also, a master sergeant is 6 stripes, right? I always thought there was also a senior master sergeant with seven stripes, and that the chiefs and sergeant majors would have eight stripes. Is this wrong?

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'd be happy with 80

I'll remind you of this when you're 79 364/365.

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quote: Originally posted by Mao Really. That's interesting Troll. I'd always been under the impression that technically any NCO could be the first sergeant of a unit. A master sergeant or the like could be the first sergeant of a given unit, signified by a diamond between his stripes, right? Or, a staff sergeant or sergeant first class could even be a unit's first sergeant, couldn't he? I didn't know it was a grade in and of itself. Kinda like a captain or a major or whathaveyou could be CC of a company/battalion for his rank, but his grade would be different. Also, a master sergeant is 6 stripes, right? I always thought there was also a senior master sergeant with seven stripes, and that the chiefs and sergeant majors would have eight stripes. Is this wrong?

Speaking of the U S Army ranking system only

an E-8 for a company would be the "First Sergeant"

an E-8 "Master Sergeant" would be like in charge of a motor pool

an E-6 or E-7 would be a Platoon Sgt

an E-4 or E-5 most likely a squad leader although could be slightly lower

stripes up top max 3 "rockers" down below max 3

as for in the middle when you start getting to Sgt Major or Command Sgt Major or CSA )Command Sgt Major of the Army thats a different set of balls alltogether

they have difference interior markings

Now to throw a curve ball

sometimes if a particular billet (position) cannot be filled due to lack of ranked personnell, they keep their currewnt rank and are given the title of "Acting" first sgt or "Acting" Platoon Sgt and so forth

hope this helps

Gramps

	19-09-2005 04:35									#18
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Hmmm...well my expertise is in Air Force grades/ranks, but they're pretty similar to the Army anyway. Except for the part where IIRC we still have a max of 8 stripes, rather than 6. Thanks for clearing up for my the 1st Sgt thing btw. Technically, though, if say a sergeant first class shows enough proficiency/responsibility/etc. to be first sergeant yet doesn't have enough time in grade to be promoted, couldn't he then be put to be the first sergeant? Rather than having that annoying "acting" prefix added to it? Not that it matters much I guess, just curious.

	19-09-2005 06:44									#19
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quote: Yeah, but he didn't attain that rank until the 2nd WW, unless the article is worded poorly.

Twenty years to E-8 is actually not bad at all. Enlisted ranks are a little different than Officers. In the ratings you can advance very fast if they really need people in your rating, or if they don't you get advances very slowly.

I bet the advancement rates for everyone was very slow between the wars as well, so he was probobly well above the curve.