19-09-2005 01:21									#31
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Yeah that's what I think, less damage. Many of the punches and strikes that wouldn't have gotten in very good at all gets in with bigger gloves, and are heavier blows. With even bareknuckle, many of those punches just wouldn't rock you at all, sure they would do superficial damage, bruises and cuts, and it would look nastier, but when we are talking about damage to the brains per se, my gut feeling says bigger gloves are more risky.

And in boxing match, there's whole lots of punching. Say that the direct good hard hits would make less damage with bigger gloves, but bigger damage in lesser hits. I say most of hte times it amounts to more damage with bigger gloves at the end than the other way.

BUT I'm only guessing.

	19-09-2005 01:23									#32
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In his skull pekka not his brain. the drills we use in these surgeries do not puncture the brain tissuse. They stop as soon as they are through the skull. The fluid needs a place to drain hence the reason for the holes in the skull. Subdural hematomas have higher sucess rates when drained then anyersusm in the brain which is a rupture of a vessle in the brain.
Edit:
the holes are also smaller then a us dime in size

	19-09-2005 01:24									#33
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mrs tubes, yeah that's what I meant. Not the brain no.. skull.

	19-09-2005 01:28									#34
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Unlike your good self I'm no 'expert' Grandpa. What I do know as a boxer and follower of boxing for the last 20+ years is that the general opinion amonst the profesionals is that bigger gloves/ headguards do not help reduce the concussive force of a punch.

This is exactly right the head gear doesnt stop the brain from being shaking in side the skull. it softens maybe but not prevents. This is kinda like a shaken baby brain injury. The brain is allowed to be shaken and bounce around inside of the skull that is used to protect it. so to speak. I am not a dr either but i have seen enough brain injuries to get some insight on them. Not to mention help in the surgries them selves.

	19-09-2005 01:29									#35
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yeah.. brain damages SUCKS.. body heals, or even if left with some little permanent injury.. you live.. you adapt.. no big deal. With brain damage.. sucks.

	19-09-2005 01:34									#36
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Fro what i read the ref was a bit slow in assessing whether this fighter was not concussed before he finally it . i read he allowed more the 5 or more shots to the head. which is a bit much considering from what tubes tells me the ref in question is good at stopping fights before that happens

	19-09-2005 01:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski This is exactly right the head gear doesnt stop the brain from being shaking in side the skull. it softens maybe but not prevents. This is kinda like a shaken baby brain injury. The brain is allowed to be shaken and bounce around inside of the skull that is used to protect it. so to speak. I am not a dr either but i have seen enough brain injuries to get some insight on them. Not to mention help in the surgries them selves.

I agree

as stated earlier way back before my esteemed poly posters got into the whole gloves thingey

I also stated it "helps"

and as I am not an expert of 20 years watchuing boxing and listening to commentaries I have been involved in actual fighting not behind a TV screen or in a "sparring session" but actaul 4 on 1 fights and actual competitve fights

Now what I am saying is a bare knuckle fight limits the maximum force to a smaller area where as wait

lets put it this way

what would cause more damage if you took the end of a 2 X 4 and slammed it into a human skullor had a piece of playwood on it?

the plywood would spread the overall effectiveness but the end of the 2 X 4 would actually concentrate more energy in that particular area
Now
Dont take my word for it

please

But since its a rule for Boxing (you have 20 + years correct?) why would it be so if its so bad?

and Mrs T I agre the jarring does an immense amount of damage

Hey I been held and kicked in my head
goitta tell ya i hurts and it "rocks" andstings and yes throw your balance off
another reasson whyt people "lace punches and kicks" for the aded effectiveness

ok

im coming off my soap box all

Appreciate you coming to the thread


Ill jsu be going over toi the library and be doing some more "applied" reading to gather more facts versus experience..

Ladies..perhaps you could help me look something up
Gramps

	19-09-2005 01:49									#38
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oh so we're armschair fighters now.. OK..

	19-09-2005 01:51									#39
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No need to spit your dummy out Grandpa.

I've made the points to answer yours in earlier posts, but as youre having trouble following the thread I'll recap.

1) Gloves were introduced into boxing for the sole reason of protecting hands. Period.

2) The plywood analogy is gibberish and in no way applicable, have you been drinking?

3) err..thats about it really....

	19-09-2005 02:16									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka oh so we're armschair fighters now.. OK..

i never caled you an armchair quarterback
pekka

in fact you seem to know what your talking about

I just have my opinion and mine comes from years of experience

when i stated sparring i was quotiung you
pekka

ok

back to hoping this boxer makes it

	19-09-2005 02:18									#41
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Yes let's hope he makes it back without too much damage

Now time for some pizza. Have to keep my figure .

	19-09-2005 02:19									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll back to hoping this boxer makes it

	19-09-2005 02:20									#43
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever No need to spit your dummy out Grandpa.

no your right
i be stil chewing on you

ok

i have to go to work
ya'll be good

	19-09-2005 02:22									#44
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You still work? I thought you were retired.. like a retired cop or something. SO what are you?

	19-09-2005 02:22									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Yes let's hope he makes it back without too much damage Now time for some pizza. Have to keep my figure .

i couldt agree more

wqe cant go around being super hero fighters if we dont stay in shape now can we?

	19-09-2005 02:25									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka You still work? I thought you were retired.. like a retired cop or something. SO what are you?

I was a Federal police Officer in the 70's and early 80's

I am an Area Manager with S & W Ready Mix Concrete Company in Southeastern North Carolina

Tonight I am joining fellow managers we are placing a continous 5,000 + cubic yard concrete placement
it will take between 24-30 hours in Wilmington NC

I will be running a plant batching concrete for the second shift

Gramps

	19-09-2005 02:35									#47
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is that your work outfit? You've definalty taken too many head shots!!!!

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