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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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Another poker thread yaay!
Here are some insights of mine, very amateur player. Of course we are talking about No Limit Texas Hold'em.
THis is beginners tips.
What makes a player a good beginner or even level up from beginner is simply how they play the flop. Or pre-flop. Too many players play way too many hands, and go in with crappy cards. Basically what it means is, that you are paying money when odds are heavily against you. Especially when there are 10 players in a table. The number of players determines your play preflop, and your position (and the amount of stacks and blinds).
The later you are to act, the more you can play. When you are in early position, you don't want to play all nice value cards, and certianly never weak aces.
WHY NOT TO PLAY WEAK ACE:
Say you have A4 off suited. It looks good to you, because you got an ace. Don't fall in love with this card, it will be your doom the more you play these kind of hands. Forget 'any two cards can win'.
This hand is very weak, especially in 10 player early position. If you hit a flop like 4 8 J, it becomes deadly. You only have the lowest pair, even if you have a high kicker (ace). What you should realize is that an ace is very common card and more likely than not some other player will have an ace too, and if you play early on, and raise too little or god forbid call it, someone is likely to have a better kicker, that 8, J or higher pair. Basically the number of outs for you is low, and the number of outs is basically your odds.
Lowest pair on table is not a good hand, trust me. It's a danger hand too because if you hit another ace for you turn card or in the river (4th and 5th card), you have pair of aces. You think it's very strong, but in fact it's not. Chances are someone else is having that ace too if they bet on you from later on position. Then you have the top pair, but VERY WEAK kicker. So no matter how it turns out, don't play it because you'll find yourself in trouble more often than not. Don't commit to a pot with weak ace. A simple rule is just not to play it when the table is full of folks, or ever, except when heads on.
Another tip, remember, it's all about how you bet. Forget the any two cards can win. It's all about how you bet, and to determine that, you knwo your outs and odds, and you know how others have been betting so you can determine what other are going for, let's just forget that they might bluff or be slow playing your sorry butt.
So for a beginner, how to play your preflop is what I'd say is the most important thing, and how to play from there on is expert level playing. I suggest you never just simply call preflop. Play conservatively, don't play too much hands, save your ammo, and create the image of tight player. Play only good hands for starters, and when you have those good two cards such as AA, AK, KK.. suited or off suited, you come out blazing. Don't just call it. Raise. If there's 10 people in the table, you need to raise.
The worst beginner mistake is to give free cards to other players, who then make their draw, flush, what ever, and basically win you at the end when you were winning first. It was your pot to win. And if you have the best possible hand, AA at first, don't go all-in. You don't want to stop others making mistakes. Let them do their mistakes.
The problem of the best possible hand:
With beginners, you want to get some action with your pocket rockets (the nuts, the best possible hand), but don't just check and give free cards to everyone, who might at the end beat your huge hand. Bet. The usual bet at the beginning of a game with 10 players varies but let's say 4 times the big blind is pretty usual. Get few people going with you. Otherwise you just steal the blinds, and didn't make much profit with your monster hand. So you want someoen with you. Don't give then free cards at this point either. Make them pay. Make them pay every round, unless you're trapping them. But let's forget about trapping and the more intermidiate strategies, just raise. Don't call, raise.
The best situation is to push others make the decisions and mistakes. Play them, don't play your hand, play them. The best situation would be you betting normally with the pocket rockets, and someone re-raising you with good amount of chips. Now they are committed to the pot. IT comes back to you, now you can move all-in, depending how you lkie to play. Now, the opponent is thinking, you raised pretty normally, and now he's coming back to you with all-in from your re-raise. He is committed to the pot. It's pain in the ass to just give it to you for free, without not even seeing the flop, after you re-raised!
You want your opponents in this situation as much as possible. Play right. Make profit from good hands.
Because you will lose hands even if you play correctly. But make others pay for their mistakes as much as possible, and you're a winner in the long run. It's just like stocks, don't sell them too early, don't buy them too expensive, why make little profit when you can make a lot of profit.
Here's my few beginners tips, let's have some more from experienced players and I'll give few more!
Butyama!
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:37
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Pekka-- not trying to down you guy but this looks almost exactly like the stuff krazyhorse wrote a few months back except his was more detailed yet somehow easier to read.
I think his best advice was along the lines of not being a loose caller. People often make the mistake of calling often since its only a buck or whatever and then wonder where their money went
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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Yes and I'm not as experienced as KH or most of you guys. This was meant for total newbies mostly, and then hoping more experienced people would also post tips.
Yeah, pairs like that are tough to play. I'd just most likely fold pair of 9s, unless there's like 4 players in the table, or if I was on the button, or in blinds, or in desperate need of ammo.
If I was on the button, I'd raise as if I had something better, if in blind, I'd raise moderately. If in need of ammo,I'd again go more aggressive. I wouldn't want anyone to get on with the community cards too long, I'd try to win the pot without showing the cards.
If I'd play that hand that is.
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:37
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there are certainly times when a pre-flop call is the best move, indeed often the only move. a couple of the most common situations -
when it's a fairly full table, and you have a weak pair or a marginal hand. if there's little action going on, it's worth just calling, seeing a cheap flop, you might catch the card(s) you want.
when you're sitting on a great hand and someone has raised pre-flop, flat calling him has two major advantages, you have more information than him and he may think his hand is far better than yours, seeing your call as a sign of weakness.
when you have a monster hand and want to trap someone short handed.
a recent example of the advantages of flat calling
i'm playing in a tournament, it's got down to three players, the other two are pretty decent, i'm just about the chip leader, but there's not a lot in it, blinds are 150/300. i've got j(c)-10(c), player two has k(s)-k(c) player one (button) folds, player two (sb) raises 600 (total 750, about 1/4 of his stack), i flat call. now i'm fairly sure at this point that he's got a decent hand, but what has he learned from my calling? i could have almost anything. the flop comes a(c) q(s) k(h), i've flopped the nuts straight, he's flopped 3 of the kind. because of his earlier raise i know that he's almost certainly hit at least a pair in that flop, but he hasn't a clue where i am. it goes check, check, 4(h) comes on the turn, check, check, 6(s) comes on the river, i bet half the pot (750), he comes in over the top all-in , i call, he finishes in 3rd place.
the point of this story is that because i flat called as opposed to re-raising pre-flop, i got in cheaper, so that if i don't hit anything i could have got out and only lost 450 on top of the blind. and more importantly that i always knew roughly where i was in the hand, whereas he didn't.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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Remember, once you become more advanced, your POSITION becomes much more important than your cards, especially in tournament play. You can throw away A10 suited in early position, while raising with 53 offsuit on the button in certain situations, and gain a positive EV out of both plays.
No hand is a guaranteed winner - don't be prejudiced against certain hands just because they may not be that great, their strength increases based upon your position and the strength of your opponents.
Finally, a very poor move is smooth calling with a hand, when you will be first to act after the flop. Say you smooth call a raise with KQ suited, and are first to act - if you don't hit a pair or a draw, you almost have to check, meaning the other player(s) are free to steal. The point is, consider your position both preflop and postflop, and understand that strong preflop hands can become horrible postflop hands if they don't hit. When you are out of position, THAT is deadly.
I harp a lot on the value of position - but I also won a trip to Vegas largely because of my understanding of position and the fact that I base my play on it. It is very important to understand the value of the hands themselves, but playing the top ten hands is not the be all end all of poker.
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:37
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quote:
Originally posted by C0ckney
there are certainly times when a pre-flop call is the best move, indeed often the only move. a couple of the most common situations -
when it's a fairly full table, and you have a weak pair or a marginal hand. if there's little action going on, it's worth just calling, seeing a cheap flop, you might catch the card(s) you want.
when you're sitting on a great hand and someone has raised pre-flop, flat calling him has two major advantages, you have more information than him and he may think his hand is far better than yours, seeing your call as a sign of weakness.
when you have a monster hand and want to trap someone short handed.
a recent example of the advantages of flat calling
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Your example to me was one of slow playing someone-- you sucked the guy in pretty good by playing in a manner where he would assume he had top hand-- nicely done.
I would also likely call any minimum type bids if sitting there with suited connectors, particularly if there were a few players in the pot. It could be a cheap price for a potentially good return
My comment was on loose callers-- the types of players that pretty much extend that desire to see the flop to almost any hand and call unless there are very big bets. These people seem to think that the one time the flop hits their 9-7 offsuit to make a full house, justifies the 50 times their poor hand remains a poor hand.
To DF
I like what you said about position. It seems that every piece of Texas Hold'em advice should bear a caveat that it varies according to number of players at the table and according to position
I also liked some of KH's advice on betting where with many of the hands that he would raise with, he would raise the same amount ( say 4X the big blind) . . . that type of play makes it much harder for others to assess your hand from the betting
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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A succinct way to put it for new players is that calling generally requires a stronger hand than raising.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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Hmmmm.....perhaps, but betting on the come with 8 outs or more generally disguises the strength of your hand, and when played multiway can have a very solid EV.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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That's a bit more dangerous, because getting your implied pot odds against only one opponent is tough.
That said, often times heads up no one hits anything, so the first person to bet wins the pot. Betting on the come means you are betting on your draw AND your 6 outs to pair your hole cards.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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If you want to play some .50-.50 NL on Pokerroom, I'm playing on Table Palembang.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:37
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Fair enough.
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ajbera
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of the Cookieville Minimum Security Orphanarium
Apr 1999
time: 05:37
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On a warm summer’s evenin’ on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a starin’ out the window at the darkness
’til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.
He said, son, I’ve made a life out of readin’ people’s faces,
And knowin’ what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
So if you don’t mind my sayin’, I can see you’re out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I’ll give you some advice.
So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, if you’re gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.
You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you’re sittin’ at the table.
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the dealin’s done.
Now ev’ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin’
Is knowin’ what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
’cause ev’ry hand’s a winner and ev’ry hand’s a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.
So when he’d finished speakin’, he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.
You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you’re sittin’ at the table.
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the dealin’s done.
You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count you r money when you’re sittin’ at the table.
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the dealin’s done.
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