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But it doesnt have to be a choice of human life over animal life. The government accept this, which is why they are making the policy.
WRT staying with a unrescued pet in the path of a storm, its a risk analysis. I know my dog would stand very little chance to survive if I leave him. If I stay I could most probably pull us both through
Thats a risk many pet owners I know would be willing to take, but its not a decision they should have to make
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Snotty
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No, they are just as impossible to replace
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
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Honestly? I do believe in the power of rehabilitation.
A multiple-murderer has the potential of becoming a productive member of society in a way that no dog, cat, bird, fish, hamster, iguana, or whatever, can.
That's why if there are limited resources, particularly in the case of food, water, and waste disposal, the government should prioritize it in favor of humans.
Why? Because those humans are registered citizens (or resident aliens), and thus deserving of services provided by the government.
Animals are not citizens; thus, they do not, should not, get the same rights nor consideration granted humans.
Now, I'm not against certain animal rights--but in the states of emergency, humans deserve the scarce resources, not the animals.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by Snotty
No, they are just as impossible to replace |
We'll have to disagree here:
You can buy pets at a shelter for less than $500.
You cannot buy children.
When you can put a pricetag on a life, then it becomes chattel, replaceable, and property.
Furthermore, animals are, at least in my experience, replaceable. Many young children, when their beloved dog dies, are just as satisfied with a new one. Many adults, when their family cat passes on, will miss the cat, but they may eventually get a new one.
I've never seen anyone who hasn't, in one form another, replaced a pet they've lost.
On the other hand, I've never seen a family replace a child.
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I should think a pet does not take a place from a human in a boat/helo. Unless it's one of those big danes...
If pets can be saved at the same time, with very little extra cost... Say, the owner is harnessed to a helo, and clings to his pet, I doubt it's in everyone's best interest to force him to drop the animal, if the helo and harness can take the weight. But, if someone is saved, then tells the reasque-folks that they need to go get, possibly even find, his pet pig... Eh. 
I'm surprised so few people have pigs as pets. Their meat is much better than dog's, in case of an emergency.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by Snotty
But it doesnt have to be a choice of human life over animal life. The government accept this, which is why they are making the policy. |
But it is a choice between human life over animal life under states of emergency. If there had been animals sucking up resources in the SuperDome or the Convention Center, I'm sure things could have gotten much worse.
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WRT staying with a unrescued pet in the path of a storm, its a risk analysis. I know my dog would stand very little chance to survive if I leave him. If I stay I could most probably pull us both through
Thats a risk many pet owners I know would be willing to take, but its not a decision they should have to make |
And again, that's a risk and a choice you could make. I don't see why it's not a decision you shouldn't have to make, either.
There are people who feel just as attached to their machines, their cars, their homes, more so than their pets. They too have to make the choice on whether to remain with their property, or to evacuate, saving their lives--how is this any different?
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Snotty
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quote:
Originally posted by Q Cubed
We'll have to disagree here:
You can buy pets at a shelter for less than $500.
You cannot buy children.
When you can put a pricetag on a life, then it becomes chattel, replaceable, and property.
Furthermore, animals are, at least in my experience, replaceable. Many young children, when their beloved dog dies, are just as satisfied with a new one. Many adults, when their family cat passes on, will miss the cat, but they may eventually get a new one.
I've never seen anyone who hasn't, in one form another, replaced a pet they've lost.
On the other hand, I've never seen a family replace a child. |
It does please me that google returns no relevent hits on 'buy children online' nor does ebay offer to sell me any, although I am sure places out there where you can do just that. You can, however, get children for free from the adoption agencies and such.
I primarily meant pets and kids are similarly irreplacable on the level of both being individuals.
Just because people buy new pets doesnt make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will be become any less attached to their pets. Our pets are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.
And in case any parents are silently fuming at me for not knowing what its like to have a kid, youre right, I dont truly know. I love my dogs dearly but I can be sure it would be always be kids first.
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Snotty
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
And again, that's a risk and a choice you could make. I don't see why it's not a decision you shouldn't have to make, either. |
Because our democracys should be bastions of humanity, not penny pinchers. If we can organize the policy for future disasters, then their should be no choice to make. But maybe I am over estimating the efficacy of the most poweful governments in the world.
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There are people who feel just as attached to their machines, their cars, their homes, more so than their pets. They too have to make the choice on whether to remain with their property, or to evacuate, saving their lives--how is this any different? |
This wonderful brain thing that we dont truly understand isnt reconstructable in any form we would accept to be even close to the original
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by Snotty
It does please me that google returns no relevent hits on 'buy children online' nor does ebay offer to sell me any, although I am sure places out there where you can do just that. You can, however, get children for free from the adoption agencies and such. |
Like I said earlier, human children are both priceless and worthless.
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I primarily meant pets and kids are similarly irreplacable on the level of both being individuals. |
And here's where I disagree. I've never felt an attachment to a non-human on that level; I adore cats and kittens, and would have one myself if the apartment would allow it, and was even raised with dogs--and yet, I've never connected to them. They were replaceable.
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Just because people buy new pets doesnt make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will be become any less attached to their pets. Our pets are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end. |
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Just because people buy new computers doesn't make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will become any less attached to their computers. Our computers are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.
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