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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:37
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Originally posted by Snotty
Well, thats not entirely accurate. We cant yet replace bits of our dogs and so prolong their life indefinetly. Also If I could rescue my dogs brain/harddisk (which is all that matters really) then I would do it  |
You obviously haven't seen some of the new veterinary technologies which allow for dogs to be frozen and rethawed, cloned, and even have hip-replacement surgeries.
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I meant humanity as in humane '' Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion'' and thats something all governments should strive for |
Kindness, mercy, and compassion, yes--to humans, to their citizens. I'm not against animal rights, but when resources are scarce, it's the government's responsibility to be humane to its citizens, not it's citizens property.
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reds4ever
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of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
So, you're telling me that you'd let those prisoners die in favor of your pets?
"Let he without sin cast the first stone." --Are you so pure and blameless that you aren't bothered that human life might be terminated for no reason at all?
There's also the whole bit about God being the ultimate, and final judge. While the penal system is there to attempt to reform and seperate dangerous elements from general society, that doesn't mean we shouldn't give them each and every opportunity to learn the error of their ways.
Oh, and the whole bit about "loving thy neighbor". Those prisoners are your neighbors. Your neighbors are also your neighbors. Do you think God would be happy that you ignored their plight?
Not to mention that the way people died in NOLA would probably violate the 8th Amendment, rights which are granted to citizens and resident aliens. Animals/pets do NOT fit under either category.
Let people's rights slide, simply because they're the dregs of the society?
A society can easily show what it's made of, what it's worth, by how it treats those who aren't the cream of the crop. |
Nah, I made both the quotes up I just liked the way this thread was winding people up and it seemed too good to miss!!!
Axe murderers, child rapists "poor innocent Naz", Biblical quotations????.....c'mon I'm just having fun!!
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:37
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Mercy is a most praiseworthy trait. It is one of the Thirteen Attributes ascribed to the Holy One, blessed be He, as it is written, "Merciful and gracious..." (Exodus 34:6). One must also show mercy and compassion toward animals, for it is forbidden to cause animals suffering. Concerning this the Torah states, "[You shall not see your brother's donkey or his sheep collapsing on the road and hide yourself from them;] you shall surely help him lift them up" (Deuteronomy 22:4). Also, one must feed his animal before he feeds himself (Berachos 40a) (Orchos Tzaddikim, Sha'ar HaRachamim).
One who possesses animals or fowl that depend upon him for their sustenance is forbidden to eat anything until he feeds them. As the verse states, "And I will give grass in your fields for your cattle, and you shall eat and be satisfied" (Deuteronomy 11:15). The Torah teaches that the animal's food precedes that of man. But concerning drink, man takes precedence, as it is written, "Drink, and I will give your camels drink, also" (Genesis 24:46); and it is written again, "So shall you give the congregation and the cattle drink" (Numbers 20:8) (Rabbi Shlomo Ganzfried, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 42:1; also note Sefer Chassidim, 531; Mishneh Torah, Avadim 9:8).
It is permissible to exert oneself on the Sabbath in order to feed one's cattle, domestic animals, or birds, since they depend upon their owners for sustenance. Similarly, one may feed one's dog; even an ownerless dog may be given a modest meal. However, it is forbidden to give food or drink to bees or doves or pigeons, nor may one cast food before them, since they are not dependent upon their owners but eat in the fields. [Therefore, this would be a needless compromise of the sanctity of the Sabbath.] Some people have the custom to feed wheat to the birds on the Sabbath during which the Song of the Sea is recited in the synagogue, but this is improper[1] (Rabbi Avraham Chaim Na'ah, Kitzos HaShulchan IV, 130:1).
It is permissible to let one's animal graze in the field on the Sabbath, as the verse states, "That your ox and your donkey may rest..." (Exodus 23:12), for this is its manner of resting (ibid. IV:15).
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Snotty
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
You obviously haven't seen some of the new veterinary technologies which allow for dogs to be frozen and rethawed, cloned, and even have hip-replacement surgeries. |
But there is still nothing comparable to longeivity of the dinosaur I have gathering dust in my loft. I could boot up that pretty much any time in the future, as long as it doesnt get washed out my a hurricane or something
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Kindness, mercy, and compassion, yes--to humans, to their citizens. I'm not against animal rights, but when resources are scarce, it's the government's responsibility to be humane to its citizens, not it's citizens property. |
There no reason being humane should be defined as being just related to humanity. In fact its a commendable ideal to hold up against every aspect of everything in life.
I guess I dont see pets as property, but as dependents.
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