30-03-2001 05:41									#121
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being the only european, i guess my timetable could be akward but at the same time I am the one with most freetime (being a student certainly gives a ´great deal of room to move around) so almost any time will do. Just let me know it a week ahead so that I won't commit to anything else that peticular day.

	03-04-2001 10:09									#122
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It seems Turn 2127's been sitting in my mail box since Sunday night, and I didn't check. I'm at work now, and I'll play the turn when I get home in the morning.

Walt

	03-04-2001 18:09									#123
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2127 is done and 2128 is winging its way across the stormy Atlantic to knowhow2


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Winter had one last kick at us here in Newfoundland. Thirty cm (about a foot) of snow fell last night (usually our last major storm is in March). The provincial civil servants started a strike two days ago and that includes the snow plow operators. So I have an unnscheduled day off work LOL-- I was just glad to play a little Smax before going out to shovel. Cheers all !!

	04-04-2001 03:11									#124
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Back from vacation, and although I took my turn, I couldn't post on the Apolyton forum until I realized that my bookmarks pointed at apolyton.net instead of www.apolyton.net.

Anyway, is everyone free this Saturday or Sunday? We could set some time (probably morning for me and evening for knowhow2, because we are at the extreme ends of the nine-hour time spread), get together on some chat forum, then play our turns until one of us has to go.

How does this Saturday sound to everyone? The times could be:

10:00 AM for me (U.S. Pacific Time)
12:00 noon for Walt (U.S. Central Time)
2:00 PM for cbn (Newfoundland Time)
7:00 PM for knowhow2 (Sweden Time)

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Round-trip plane ticket to St. Louis: $260
Rental car: $75
Wedding gift: $179
Gambling losses incurred during bachelor party: $140
Speeding ticket on the way back from the wedding: $75
Seeing a good college friend getting married to a wonderful girl: Priceless

There are some things money can't buy.
For everything else, there's Mastercard!

	04-04-2001 09:06									#125
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my turn is done and pass on to tench like 7 hours ago or so. Just didn't realize that the site was back on.


edt. saturday suits me just fine. and the time 7pm also works.



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	04-04-2001 09:06									#126
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Year 2128 to Walt.
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Fallacies of a Free Market, Introduction
by Deirdre Skye

Ever since the development of an industrial base within our new civilization, there have been cries by a small but vocal minority for a free market economy. The arguments for such a laissez-faire economy are simple: elimination of the very governmental regulations which built and founded our current industrial base would lead to an explosion in energy production, scientific research, and consumer goods and services. However, the proponents of such an economy are either unaware or ignorant of the enormous hidden costs and disadvantages. Therefore, I have written this essay to explain why our society must never adopt a free market system.

	04-04-2001 09:08									#127
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question would be which chat site.

I vote for ICQ.
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	04-04-2001 17:04									#128
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2128 to cbn.

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Alas, I'm working nights this weekend, and I likely won't be waking up until 14:00, as I don't get to bed until 07:00 in the morning.

Sorry.

The following weekend might work...

	04-04-2001 22:47									#129
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OK, how does everyone feel if we moved the times three hours forward to accomodate for Walt?

1:00 PM for me (U.S. Pacific Time)
3:00 PM for Walt (U.S. Central Time)
5:00 PM for cbn (Newfoundland Time)
10:00 PM for knowhow2 (Sweden Time)

	05-04-2001 00:40									#130
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Saturday is fine with me and I will assume that we are doing "ICQ". I will learn how to use ICQ between now and Saturday so that I do not foul things up too much . If we cannot do this type of session this weekend, I would not be available on a weekend for about 3 more weeks. (work full time and also a part time student-- finals are looming). I will commit to a turn a day rate though.

Oh and I see the turn is with me-- I will play it by 18:00 server time.

	05-04-2001 04:01									#131
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okey then 10 00 pm it is. but since it's kinda late I won't be able to play more than 3-4 hours. Got a date on sunday.

So that we are perfectly clear, 10 pm means 22:00, right?

And also, has anyone asked anybody about rules applying to this peticular event? Tau Ceti?

	05-04-2001 05:38									#132
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Turn 2128 is done-- 2129 to knowhow2

	05-04-2001 22:30									#133
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turn 2129 to tench.

	06-04-2001 05:21									#134
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I fear we'll be limited to playing only a couple hours, as I'll have to take off at 17:00 CST. But, that being said, two hours can make a big difference in the early part of the game.

I'll email my icq number around between now and then.

I'm running a P2 400 MHz with 128 megs memory and a cable modem. Shall I assume I'm hosting, or is someone among us better outfitted?

While I'm at it, I'll message Tau Ceti and make sure this doesn't abrogate any tournament rules. I wouldn't think that it would, since options are /more/ limited in tcp/ip play than in pbem (no trading cities with the AI, for example).

Walt

	06-04-2001 06:25									#135
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Year 2129 to Walt.
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Walt, I thought we were just going to continue doing PBEM during that time on Saturday. If we are allowed to convert to TCP/IP, then I'm open to doing that.

It's been a while since I installed ICQ. I think I still have my account. I'll give it a shot later today.

	06-04-2001 16:45									#136
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2129 to cbn.

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Okay, I missed that. Thought we were talking about tcp/ip, with icq just for the initial rendezvous. Whatever you guys wanna do works for me.

	07-04-2001 00:42									#137
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We have a green light from Tau Ceti to play the game via tcp/ip if we're so inclined. The turns would go /much/ faster that way than just playing them serially and passing them via icq. However, four players might be more than my poor box can handle. Only one way to find out.

What do the rest of you think?

Walt

	07-04-2001 01:07									#138
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Walt, sounds good to me. If we can get TCP/IP to work on your machine, go for it.
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Just to confirm the times, they are:

1:00 PM for me (U.S. Pacific Time, 3 hours back from Apolyton time)
3:00 PM for Walt (U.S. Central Time, 1 hour back from Apolyton time)
5:00 PM for cbn (Newfoundland Time, 1 hour ahead of Apolyton time)
10:00 PM for knowhow2 (Sweden Time, 6 hours ahead of Apolyton time)

In order to be 100% sure of the time zones, I ask everyone to try posting a test message to Apolyton (any thread, not just this one), see the time stamp on your message, and verify that I have it correct above. It's no fun if one of us is off by an hour.

I've already checked my time zone.
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	07-04-2001 07:32									#139
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Turn 2129 is done

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Actually I know my timezone is a very quirky 1:30 ahead (later) than Apolyton time so it is 5:30 pm for me. As to methodology of the connection whatever you folks want is ok with me. I have to download and figure out ICQ. Friends have indicated that it is very easy so I hope for no problems with the download. I will email you all if i have any difficulties and with my ICQ number when I get one
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	07-04-2001 07:39									#140
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my clock shows 4:40 in the morning which makes it 4:40 am (?)

	07-04-2001 08:50									#141
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turn 2130 to tench.


I put my vote om tcp/up games....

	07-04-2001 09:18									#142
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Year 2130 to Walt.
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cbn, it looks like Apolyton is in the U.S. Eastern time zone. Are you sure your time zone is ONE AND A HALF hour ahead of U.S. Eastern, instead of just ONE hour?

Looking forward to tomorrow!

	07-04-2001 10:09									#143
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Quite certain -- Its something you notice after living here for over 30 years LOL. I travel a fair bit and I am used to changing my watch . Its a quirky thing that we have come to accept here on the "far east of the western world". Hey when you live on a rocky windswept island you come to accept that some things just "are". AS far as I know it is the only 1/2 hour time zone in the Americas.

So I am
4.5 hours earlier than knowhow2
1.5 hours later than Apolyton
2.5 hours later than Walt
4.5 hours later than Tenchusatsu

so I'm dead in the middle LOL


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	07-04-2001 12:01									#144
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The times, once again:

1:00 PM for me (U.S. Pacific Time, 3 hours back from Apolyton time)
3:00 PM for Walt (U.S. Central Time, 1 hour back from Apolyton time)
5:30 PM for cbn (Newfoundland Time, 1.5 hour ahead of Apolyton time)
10:00 PM for knowhow2 (Sweden Time, 6 hours ahead of Apolyton time)

	08-04-2001 04:44									#145
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A good first attempt at direct connection has meant 17 turns or so played. I really enjoyed it and will probably recommend it in my other games. it would be very good for turns 1-20. So the turn is with Walt and we will resume pbem I guess. I would want to do this again but with the time zone issue we can probably only do it on a weekend. I can never play during normal working hours 9-5 (realistically 7-5 Apolyton time). I am willing to consider almost all weekend times.

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Foreman cbn considered recent events.

" It seems that the years have been passing so quickly these days. It seems like only yesterday that it was 2130 and now a day later it is 2147"

The report in his hand confirmed his apprehension about the Drones future. reports of worm atacks were on the increase. Unrest was becoming a problem and there were unconfirmed rumours that other factions had a wide technology lead. The slow rate of technological progress continued to haunt the foreman as he forwarded his vision of a land where workers can live and work in peace and contentment.

The Druids gaining the HGP was a blow but the foreman consoled himself with the fact that he has an extra content worker in any event. Former productivity was high as was factory productivity but the lack of luxuries and interesting things to build was troubling. With some effort, the foreman hoped to gain the techs necessary to make his people even happier and more productive.

Exploration and diplomatic reports indicated CLASSIFIED

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	08-04-2001 05:12									#146
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2147 went to cbn about three minutes after I logged off, so he'll probably be posting the turn to knowhow2 soon enough.

Thanks for a fun afternoon, guys. We made good progress in a relatively short time.

Walt

	08-04-2001 06:19									#147
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2147 is done and sent to knowhow2. Its actually a lot more fun now that we are into some stuff where there are decisions to be made. I'm new to pbem and those first few turns are so slow . . . .

	09-04-2001 00:21									#148
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turn 2148 is done and send to tench .... at least 4 hours ago, but getting into a bad habit I keep forgetting to post here directly afterwards....

	09-04-2001 03:39									#149
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Year 2148 to Walt.

By the way, great session we had on Saturday, guys. We probably saved about three weeks of playing time with that. However, I don't know whether such a session would be feasible again now that each turn is becoming more and more complicated and faction interaction is increasing these days. Anyways, this game is becoming much more interesting now, and it's bound to be even more so as the turns and weeks go by.
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Here at Gaia's Landing, the capital and center of our Gaian nation, we continue to celebrate the completion of our first major secret project, The Human Genome Project. This effort was based off of our research into Biogenetics, and it allows us to cure many diseases which was previously thought to have been uncurable, such as classic Earth diseases like cancer, Altzheimer's disease, and AIDS, as well as new ones which have hit our colonists upon arrival on Chiron. As a result, citizen longevity has been increased, and a general feeling of good will and psych has come through our entire population across all of our bases.

One consequence is that the occurrence of drone riots (such as the one which occurred at Gaia's Landing several years before the completion of HGP) will be much less frequent. This allows a greater proportion of our population to be content and productive, allowing our bases to grow even more without hinderances.

Ironically, the advent of Industrial Automation played a major role in completing the HGP in a much shorter time than previously expected. IA has long been seen as a negative influence on the environment, but the benefits of increased production cannot be overlooked in a society. However, we must be ever vigilant, lest we allow our lust for progress and our desire for ever increasing output grow so out of control that it harms the very Planet we swore to protect in the first place.

	10-04-2001 10:29									#150
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2149 to the Cult