07-05-2001 04:52									#1
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Looking for a 2-player team. Garth (momentum) and I (builder) are looking for opponents for a 2-team tourny game moderated, of course, by Tau Ceti.

We would like to take PK and Sparta, leaving our opponents numerous mouth-watering possibilities We are not newbies, so we are looking for opponents with some experience. We also seek opponents willing to commit to roughly 1 turn per day, Real Life permitting. No hassle, but a reasonable turn rate is expected as the norm.

Post here if you would like to take us on ...

	07-05-2001 05:21									#2
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Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, MEEEEEE!!!!

Please?

	07-05-2001 05:39									#3
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But of course ... glad to have an opponent. Now, about the partner?

Will you be playing Builder or Momentum in the axis? ( As if I couldn't guess ... )

And Mark. *Not* Oniron. No no. Please. Not him

	07-05-2001 15:39									#4
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I think I'll try my hand as a builder, just for a change

As to the partner - whoever wants to *crosses fingers*

	07-05-2001 20:55									#5
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Please note game will be SMAC only. I would prefer thinker level as I feel it is a better balanced level for human playing styles, but would be willing to go transcend if everybody else wants it. Mis and I haven't discussed other set up options yet.

	07-05-2001 20:56									#6
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Will you please rate it?

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	08-05-2001 09:09									#7
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::looks around::

Momentum, huh?

That's where you, like, actually attack someone?

And fight?

Hesitantly offers self to mark13 as a possible partner while feverishly looks to see where Vel's strat guide was filed ....

(but that would make seven - no, eight, games where I was in opposition to Mis. - and losing every one - ah well, there's always a first time for everything -)



Mark? Game on?

G



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	08-05-2001 09:18									#8
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Hah! If only that were likely. You and your allies will take at least some of those games Googlie, looking at the current positions ...

Sorry, yes, should have mentioned that Garth only plays SMAC. Thinker level is fine by me. Everything else would be normal tourny settings?

	07-05-2001 23:21									#9
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Game on indeed Googlie

I'm with Garth on thinker level - for one, Lal's talent is not such an advantage

SMAC is fine with me - in response to Solver, I would prefer for this not to be rated - for one, I am up against Mis and Garth and two, I don't think team play really lends itself to rating.

You'll have to give us a few hours to decide which factiosn to play - we'll prolly let you know tonight, and then we should be all set to go.

	07-05-2001 23:55									#10
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Thinker is OK, and presumably we're talking SMAC v 4.0?

Presumably no AI - just us four factions?

And I agree with Mark - team games don't lend themselves very well to rating, with the research/population/SP tactics needing to be co-ordinated, etc.

G.



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	07-05-2001 23:55									#11
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I knew I should not have gone to sleep today. ):

Is this one closed or is there room to fit in another?
If so I volunteer. I will even come up with a partner - (a Canadian student or a Dutchman). I have not asked yet but one of them will say yes and both are very good.

Possibly an extra game?


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	08-05-2001 00:06									#12
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Googlie, yes.

	08-05-2001 02:37									#13
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Hi there Buster

I don't have a problem with 3 teams rather than 2 - it's just that 4 players is the usual for a tourny game and I think getting a balanced start for 3 teams is a lot more work. Let me go back to Tau - I know he has a lot on at the moment and I don't want to ask more from him than he can comfortably manage, especially since he already puts in such a lot of work on the tournament.

I have an idea how it could work though, and one which might save Tau quite a lot of time either way ...

I'll post back

	08-05-2001 02:46									#14
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Thanks -

I Understand the situation and having to fit in 6 players in one game would make it difficult to carry out the original builder/momentum team idea.

If it does not fit I will understand and there will be no complaints.
Can there be made space or game for an extra team, I do think that we can deliver at least a good challenge. (Hope I don't fall through on this one)

	08-05-2001 03:15									#15
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Having an extra game is probably better. Not only is a 6 player game tough to manage and actually complete but 3 teams is a little unbalanced, meaning war is often 2 on 1.

	08-05-2001 04:43									#16
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While I'm not the most experienced player, I wouldn't mind giving it a go. I tend to play isolationist, so this might be a good way for me to break out of my shell. Let me know what the scoop is, I'll understand if there's already too many players. Thanks.

	08-05-2001 04:45									#17
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Or run 3 parallel games:

Mis/Garth vs Mark/Googlie

Mis/Garth vs Buster/WhiteElephants

Mark/Googlie vs Buster/WhiteElephants

With aggregate 2-game scores being the determinant. (So a win might have to be a big win to offset a poor loss in the other).

Thoughts?

(Or it sounds like a new tourney series - the team tourney)

G.


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	08-05-2001 04:55									#18
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Googlie, you read my mind

Am exploring the possibilities for exactly what you describe.

(Hiya WE. Nice to see you again )

	08-05-2001 05:45									#19
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One little point that I hope is not taken wrong, and let me make clear that I will accept any assigned partner.

I also realize that complicating matters when I am actually coming late may be improper.

First - the player I had in mind is one of two players I have been doing several games with, whose abilities I respect and who are fast. That means we usually do several turns a day.

Second - I am currently in two games I believe with White Elephants and they are moving not that fast, often a two - three day delay in turns, for periods better and in between worse.

As I know the players here are probably looking forward to some fast moving games - I thought it however would better to bring it up now than later. At least I think some average turn rate that all agree to keep and a right to replace if not kept in should be agreed.

And please don't take this wrong - it is not a criticism and everyone does not have to be a geek the way I probably am to enjoy or take part in MP games, but having seen the turn rates of Mark and Googlie and the rapidity of answers on this thread I would at least like some indication from WE as what turn rate he expects to be able to deliver.

Hope I did not blow my chance here.
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	08-05-2001 06:14									#20
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Good point Buster. I generally play a turn a day, though thats not religously. Often I skip a day on the weekends or, if by chance, I leave this god forsaken town for the weekend or something, I won't play the turns till I get home. I imagine a few of us will be going on some sort of vacation this summer as well, so I would expect us to be out of contact at one point or another. At any rate, I don't know if I only speak for myself here, but it's highly unlikely that I'd be able to keep up with several turns a day. Frankly, some days I don't mind that I only find a turn or two in my inbox.

As far as ACT040, and AXT031 are concerned, I can only account for my turns sent. Don't really know what else to say about those two..

As my only defense I can point out that I've been in a game with Big Canuk, and Mark13 for some time now and we've been moving at a fairly good pace, I think, guys? Anyway, we're up to 2220, or there abouts, and average just under a turn a day.

In all, I think you'd much rather play with someone you're familiar with. I would. So, have at it. I bow out like I said, no hard feelings.

	08-05-2001 06:47									#21
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Thanks WE - I am not stuck on having to play with someone special and will leave it to the organizers.

It is not my wish to push you out and I am sure we will get along well if teamed.

I don't know what is expected and your turn frequency may be perfectly acceptable. I have not kept close track and just thought it best to take up the matter at start.

The player I had in mind is called Andrew Krupowicz and has e-mail: andrew.krupowicz@utoronto.ca .

He does do his mail turns more frequently than WE, but there will be no protest if he is not included as this was just my suggestion, not his own origination.

Besides this I just hope it will happen at all, whether I am teamed with one or the other, and if so I am sure it will be great fun.

	08-05-2001 18:44									#22
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AHA, a ringer !!

Wasn't there an Andrew Krupowicz on the Firaxis design team?

(Just kidding - any team combo is fine)

G.

	08-05-2001 18:45									#23
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(Of course that would mean an inordinate number of transports and arty for that team)



G.

	09-05-2001 18:17									#24
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OK, things have moved on. Many thanks to DiDad for agreeing to CMN those games where he doesn't play.

Teams so far:

Mis/Garth
Mark/Googlie

Other players so far:

Buster
White Elephants
DiDad

Leave it up to you guys to get your teams together.

	09-05-2001 23:29									#25
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As the line up is now expanding anyway I will then submit Andrew and I as a team.

We have started intensively training arrow-key movements.

	09-05-2001 23:31									#26
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I will also be fine on doing CMN duties on games where I am not involved.

	10-05-2001 05:59									#27
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	12-05-2001 01:05									#28
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Before this gets lost in the wash I thought I'd bump it.

If I'm in this or not, I'd still like to see something happen with it nonetheless.

	12-05-2001 01:21									#29
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Hi WE, yes it's still happening. I think we have agreement on the basic game set-up now, so we should be rolling in not too long. You're in for sure - once we have games running, we can try to rope in more players but as it stands we still have 2 who aren't teamed - you and DiDad. So I guess you could pair up, or find other partners?

	12-05-2001 02:19									#30
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I'm hip to the Dad-Man, unless he has someone else in mind!