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Shining1
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Christchurch, New Zealand
Apr 1999
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Re: future tech thread.
I don't think this is necessary. Remember, CivIII is the first stroke of the broom of time - the game probably won't go past 2100 before it breaks into either SMAC(II) or Sid Meier's Expansion Game (SMEG for short). So future tech is pretty much going to be the stuff that's in SMAC.
BTW, someone slap Brian and tell him that sentient econometrics is impossible. It violates the 'lack of imformation' principle - to get a coherent future prediction, you need an infinite amount of data recorded to an infinite precision.
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the Octopus
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Yin, do you want us to alert you when you need to close a thread because we've moved to a new one, or are you just going to watch?
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the Octopus
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Unless we need to keep track of who posted which idea, we do not need to tell people to manually keep track of who posted what in a thread. I've already said I will develop a perl script to do that for us. It will be easy. Yin, stop telling people to do it. It's pointless work.
If anybody is still doing that "first time posted in this thread" stuff, cut it out. Completely unnecessary.
<u>Summary Comments</u>: I think I have some comments about some of the styles used for the various summaries, but I don't want to "pollute" the summary thread with them. Where should we do that?
<u>STANDARDS</u>
Please, people, can we start working on some standards?
I think every thread should have a header that explains the basic purpose of the list, what a thread master is, etc. Please look at the beginning of my <a href=/forums/Forum28/HTML/000038.html>Technology</a> thread to see what I am talking about. A header post like that sets the groundwork for a thread, and properly orients somebody who has just arrived on these forums. I think every thread should have one. Once we establish what sort of content is appropriate, we can post a template which you can just cut-and-paste into the beginning of your thread.
Thread names: I think each thread should have a major name in all caps (like TECHNOLOGY or UNITS), a revision number (like 1.2 or 3.7), and a "hosted by ______" (this is probably superfluous, but it makes the threads stand out a bit).
For the numbering scheme, use numbers to the left of the decimal point for major revision and numbers to the right of the decimal point for minor revisions. (I leave undecided at this point the question of whether 1.11 is greater than 1.9).
I welcome anybody else's suggestions for standardization, but please, let's at least start thinking about it. This forum is going to be confusing enough for people coming in for the first time without every thread master doing everything in a different way.
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the Octopus
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Yin: I noticed you closed Rong's thread before he was able to start a new one. Do you really think that's wise? People who might want to post in that topic are sort of left in the lurch until Rong shows up, and posts whatever he wants to post at the beginning (hopefully a summary), etc. I think our system should be that the Thread Master should post a "this thread closed" message directing people to the new thread, and then you can lock it down. Anybody agree/disagree?
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:14
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Hi All,
OK,I have a clue.I'll just start a borders thread,make the title look kinda like the others.I put my opinions in on how it might be done in a perfect world.If it isn't right Yin you fix it please.
Once I have 60 people put in suggestions I bring them down into a reasonable size and then I post em all again.Then umm,umm,well that's enough for now.I'll get started.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:14
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Yin,I see constant references to "cut and paste"
but am an old fart and don't know much about computers.
Also I saw a reference to UBB and HTML.No clue.
Does this lack of knowledge effect my eligability to be a threadmaster?
Absolutely not! Take a look at my UBB code thread. Find a post with some formatting trick in it you like. Then click the "edit message" button. You'll see all the codes in the message. Now all you have to do is use those codes in your own stuff if you want. Easy. In fact, if you click "edit message" on this post, you'll see how I did italics. Here's bold. Piece of cake! If you need more tricks, just ask. *Yin*
[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]
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tfs99
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Tucson, AZ, USA
Mar 1999
time: 22:14
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Certainly the numbers 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 look similar. But I fail to see how prefixing a "1." on 0, 1, 2, 3 makes it better than a 1, 2, 3 by itself. Maybe it's an inclination towards computer revision numbers.
Any "decimal" numbering system will have an intuitive discontinuity at either the transition from 1.9 to 2.0 or at 1.9 to 1.10. It introduces needless complexity. A simple numbering system suffers from no such discontinuity. Remember the KISS principle.
There is another possibility: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.
Civ3  n ... Ted S.
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the Octopus
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I still think Yin and tfs99 are wrong about the numbering system. Now you can't have a discontinuity if you want one. I guess I'm stuck with your system now, but I think it is the wrong decision. "Maybe it's an inclination towards computer revision numbers." Well, duh. Maybe because they've got a good system?
Yin, you seem to be a tad quick about declared consensus reached. There seemed to be only one objection to the decimal system, and no other posts on it. I remember that evil_conquerer voiced support for the decimal system on the SMAC forums. If we decide that a particular decision is going to be reached by consensus we ought to reach it. If you're going to make a decision unilaterally, you shouldn't imply that you won't.
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the Octopus
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Ted, my point is that virtually nobody discussed it, and there were only a few hours between when the issue really presented itself and when Yin made a unilateral decision. Evil_conqueror made his comments in the SMAC version of the war room. I will live with a system, even though I disagree with it, but I do not like the process that was used to arrive at it. I personally am not crazy about the idea that yin can just make arbitrary decisions. This one is not very consequential, but what about the next one?
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evil conquerer
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Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
May 1999
time: 05:14
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Just want to restate my opinion here. Octopus, thanks for reminding me
I liked the system I think originally suggested by tfs, where the versions for the original threads go v1.0, v1.1, etc. The decimal place goes up one number for each tiem the thread is closed @ 50 posts. Then when the master list is made, it takes the most recent version of all of those threads. After the master list, the threads start over at v2.0, v2.1, and so on. After the next master list is compiled, all the threads start over with 3... you get the picture. This makes it easier to remember which version everyone is on, because otherwise you could have version 14 of the technology thread be only version 2 of the master list, while version 5 of the units thread (for example) would be on version 3 of the master list. See how confusing that gets?
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yin26
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This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:14
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First off, we can indeed change the system to the one Octopus suggested (btw, Octopus, I have never tried to make decisions here unilaterally--but sometimes time contraints and the difficulty of getting majority agreement on a forum forces me to make some choices instead of waiting too long: Try to work with me on that point--agreed? ).
This is NOTHING to panic about. Our version number are still so young that we can wait a few days to change the titles to Octo's system, which seems to be what people want.
Am I correct this time?
If it helps to understand why I didn't wait, I was indeed trying to set something up before I left for my trip in two hours. Maybe I made the wrong choice, but, hey, I have MODERATOR power to edit the titles later--so, as always, I will go with what the majority wants on these issues.
(Man, this is like a fight in the board room at work! )
By the way, I just want to keep encouraging you guys. This project is taking really great shape thanks to all our hard work. Remember, just 4 days ago, none of this structure was here. None. Amazing...
Yin
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[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]
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the Octopus
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Yin, if you plan is to change everything around again in a few days, then you shouldn't have changed everything around last night. Personally, I hate having the names of these threads changed around, especially my threads. I doubt that people posting in them are to pleased with it, either. If we had a system and you were forcing conformace, that would be one thing, but this "I'll do whatever I want 'cause I can fix it later" attitude is counterproductive. I don't want to be a *****, but if you don't have time to do something right, then you shouldn't do it at all. We could have lived for a few days with old threads not conforming to a new system. There is no crisis, but now you have screwed up the filing system I had been using for my own purposes with your "ver2" system, and now you say you are going to switch it again. That's a total pain in the ass.
To answer Bell: I care, and so do some others.
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