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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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New other section, I will come and put what's happened so far in a minute.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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posted May 18, 1999 21:52
General features:
Reigons-As time goes by, your cities are collected into groups called regions. These
share resources, food, etc. There is a percentage of production going to whatever project you assign.
Altitude-Altitude for the terrain.
PW-Public Works instead of Formers/Settlers.
More than one worker on a square.
Note: These are only the big topics that were discussed in multiple posts. If I missed any, or you posted a building or enhancement that was not mentioned, feel free to post it here.
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Ecce Homo
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Stockholm, Sweden
Apr 1999
time: 06:14
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As there is no list for City Improvements...
Multiple improvements in one city - a really big city would need many granaries to take care of its large food storage.
Improvements could need employees instead of money.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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I'm not so sure about the employees idea. The money pays invisible employees to keep the improvement going. But the multiple improvement idea is definatly good.
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anachron
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1) One thing that was not used to great enough effect in CivII was X-factors, such as barbarians, citizen revolts, and environmental degradation. Natural disasters, for instance, could take great effect on the shape of the game and act as a levelling (or distancing) force. Potential X-factors which would occur randomly (and rarely) include:
*epidemics (population decrease)
*earthquakes (population decrease, terrain changes, infrastructure destruction)
*hurricanes (island and coastal areas, infrastructure destruction)
*famines (desert areas, population decrease)
*volcanic activity (especially in early stages of the game, population decrease, possible wiping out of cities - volcanoes would appear slightly different from mountains so that settlers who had explored the terrain sufficiently could build elsewhere)
*cults (decrease citizen happiness, could take other random effects - this one could be either a lot of fun or very annoying)
*alien visitation (farfetched, but possibly fun)
*artificial intelligence revolt (ditto, depending on reach of game)
Any others? Comments? How difficult would it be, AI-wise?
2) Another major suggestion I have is to increase the influence of religion on the game. My proposal is to incorporate the spontaneous appearance of prophets and religions among different nations, especially in the early stages of the game. This would be more realistic and fun than the advances like Monotheism and Polytheism, and could possibly influence questions like which happiness-related wonders a nation can build and which nations are likely to ally (though the latter is not entirely accurate, historically). The ruler would not be able to affect which religion appears in his nation initially, though he can, through diplomacy or warfare, introduce a new religion to the people. The increasing influence of science and reason in the later stages would decrease the significance of religion in much the same way as CivII.
I actually think a separate strategy game based on religion and religious history would be very interesting.
3) As to the time period the game should cover - I feel that one of the nice things about the game and the ability to create sequels for it, is that it traces civilization to the present and conceivable future, and no further. Thus, I think the game should cover the period from the first appearance of Homo sapiens (not sure when that was, sorry I've forgotten Anthro 101) until roughly twenty or so years after the game is released.
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[This message has been edited by anachron (edited May 19, 1999).]
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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This _is_ the "other" thread.
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anachron
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Rats, JT, you caught my mistake... I thought I was on the Governance one - it's fixed.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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I _really_ like your first two ideas, but I think the game should go farther-maybe to the year 3000? This would give people both the "rewriting history" experience and the sci-fi experience. I say this mainly because I think this is one of the areas(out of maybe two) that CTP did well in. Many of the futuristic ideas I liked, like the space cities and the Wormhole Probe. Some of it was cheesy, but the basic idea was good.
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Mo
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I would do away with terraformers/settlers completly. Public works should only be able to build improvments inside the region/city radius. Settlers would have to do the things outside of the city radius. This would mainly affect roads forts and airbases. This would allow the oponents to interfere with with construction.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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I like that. It combines the best of both worlds. And it's realistic. You don't see people from NY going out and fixing farms in Kansas.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Yeah, I think the PW system was the other system CTP got right. I'd vote for that in Civ3.
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meowser
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sandiego, ca, us
Apr 1999
time: 05:14
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I would like to see an alarm clock option. Say you want to play for 1 hour. At the beginning of your session, you set it for 1 hour. When the hour is up, it will ask you if you would like to save and quit or continue playing, or allow you to again set the alarm clock.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Very, very cool. Perfect for a peaceful country. Probably 40 HP, so it will decrease the amount of time you spend on destroying it when you get new weapons.
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Trachmyr
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The Everglades
May 1999
time: 00:14
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I posted this before, but it was not picked up, nor was there any feedback. So I'll post it again.
Base Support Structures... a new city improvement
This Improvement includes ALL of the critical structures of past ages (Ancient, Bronze, Iron, ect.) under a single name and structure.
This would include stuff like: Granaries, Aqueducts, Markets, ect. But NOT barracks and other more specailized or optional structures.
This structure will give all the advantages of included buildings (and replaces those buildings), but at reduced upkeep cost
This structure will AUTO upgrade when you enter a new AGE if you have built all included structures of the previous age. Otherwise you may pay for the diffrence, or build the upgrade (labor required depends on how many structures have been completed).
This structure builds much faster than if building all of the componets. And you can RUSH BUY at no penalty.
The result is, that in the middle and especially the late game, you don't have to fumble about building arhaic structures. You will be able to found and develop a thriving city, without the need for that city to have been there from the beginning. Personally I hate building Granaries in the 1900's.
Tell me what you think...
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Hmmmm......intresting........but then, why include the other buildings in the game at all?
[This message has been edited by JT (edited May 19, 1999).]
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MBD
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Maybe the proposed list of city improvements and/or terrain improvements could be another whole topic.
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the Octopus
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The game should provide more recognition for "interesting" things that happen in the normal course of the game. For example, if a particular unit happens to fight in a series of very succussful battles and seems to be extremely lucky, it's home city should throw a "we love our troops" parade for a year or two, like the "we love the president day" parades.
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Widowmaker
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There should be the ability (either by the human players, or automatically by the computer) to name significant geographical locations. Large seas, mountain ranges, lakes, ....etc. I think this was present in the SMAC world (I only played the demo). It would really help in identifying with regions of the planet. A lot of times later in the games, it starts to get a little confusing if your empire is large.
"The Ural Mountains", "The Baltic Sea"...etc.
Would be very cool.
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the Octopus
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When the map generator is creating the map and placing Widowmaker's place names, it should take the starting positions of the Civ's into account, so we're likely to get a Nile River in Egypt, or the Andes Mountains near the Incas.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Yeah, that's pretty good. I think the PW system should be in CIV3.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Same here.
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kmj
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Here's something that I guess goes in "other".
The idea of national flags. Instead of using colored shields, it would really be cool to see a flag to differentiate nations. And when you create a new game you should be able to customize your flag and edit it throughout the game. It would be a pretty easy thing to add, and it wouldn't get in the way of gameplay. What do people think of it? I think it would go a long way towards individualizing each game experience.
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JT
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A place, in a place, within a place
Jan 1970
time: 05:14
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Sounds good to me. A simple program like "Paint" could probably handle it, unless it went into 3-D effects and stuff. Otherwise, good idea, and easy to include.
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MBrazier
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Interlace Public Works with Regions -- each region, not each city, has its queue of Public Works projects to be done. And put a size/population limit on the size of a region, which depends on the current government model.
This way, when the game starts and you're in Despotism (or the equivalent) the largest region possible is one city; as your government gets more effective, the possible size of a region goes up, and you can concentrate the tax funds from many cities into one project. The burden of micro-management becomes a disadvantage of early governmental forms, to be relieved by technical advances.
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19-05-1999 20:04
. This might encourage city specialisation (like in the real world).
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