08-07-1999 20:01									#31
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put your head between your legs and kiss MY ass.
if thats sounds rude to you,mebbe you can think about closing someones thread without any explanation. i already know about your stupid rules so don't waste your time with a comments like 'blah blah we have hosts,etc.'.
if you checking any threads but yours,mebbe you'll find out that my proposal doesn't fit in any of them.
if you ever played civ2 to the end,you should know about population counter bug. that bug really bothers all serious players and i hope it will be fixed in civ2 and if not,i know to whom i have to send my 'respects'. what a **** you doing here at all? you're the one who constantly babbling about 'oh,alpha centauri is much better than civ2'. i've read your posts on ac site. you know when you have right to say that? very day when sold copies of ac surpass sold copies of civ2. and when this day comes,i'll apologize to you. until then...you may open a forum 'suggestion for ac2'.

sf

	08-07-1999 20:10									#32
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Ummm...If you know the "rules," why are you so upset? Plus, there is a thread called "OTHER"--your ideas don't fit there, either?

Please show me ONE thread where I say SMAC is better than Civ2! I guess you weren't around when I was attacking SMAC for a number of reasons. Sure, I've grown to like the game quite a lot, but it didn't hook me right away like Civ2 did--although I like certain things about it better...

Anyway, sorry that our entire organization got in the way of your thread.

	18-07-1999 00:21									#33
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I just came to think of this:

Why are there TWO lists - one here at Apolyton, and one at Firaxis? Are there any good reasons not to close down this one and refer to Firaxis? (Except for the Firaxis colour scheme which gives me a headache).

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	18-07-1999 10:21									#34
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Ecce Homo,

Well, the list was started here and the product is pretty good, of course we want to improve on it. The list effort on the Firaxis site started when I was invited to do it there as well--of course, I thought Firaxis would actually help the effort. Quite the opposite. They pulled the plug on a fan-led project and left Dan in charge, and he hasn't shown any interest in a long time.

Add to the fact that the Apolyton site has a lot more visitors, much better support AND a color scheme that doesn't hurt your eyes , and I think you can see why the best work is being done here. Having said that, if the day ever comes when the Firaxis site has just as many visitors and just as much support for the fans, I'd be happy to try (again) to make an "official" list. But Firaxis' sites are a long way away from being that kind of place.

	20-07-1999 19:46									#35
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2 lists problem:

I took the CUSTOMIZATION thread because I saw that it was unclaimed. Then Ecce Homo pointed out it was already going on over at FIRAXIS.

I really think this whole 2 forum thing is lame. I have 4 passwords for Civ/SMAC: Apolyton, Firaxis, SMAC, ACOL.

If the efforts were segregated, that would be one thing, but if I try to check the Apolyton thread on Technology, I'm told to go to Firaxis.

I haven't looked at all the other threads...

I want this to be useful to BR, so that he can make a better game. The List was almost 200 pages- now it looks like we're making 2 lists. If BR is going to really read 2 200 page lists when making Civ3, great- but it just seems overkill, not to mention that I've seen redundancies already.

At one point we were told that the lists were going to come together: now it looks like that's not going to happen. I don't really mind, per se: I like the effort I've seen here at apolyton, and the Firaxis effort is just silly (he couldn't even merge user/password databases for the 2 forums?)

I guess what I'm saying is that I feel that the effort has been forked for no evident purpose.

Can't Firaxis just have a link here and let the apolyton folks manage it or something? I'd even be happy to give my 'management' up in favor of one effort.

I dunno. I'm just beginning to think that I'm wasting my time.

~mindlace

	20-07-1999 20:13									#36
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You can still post here, though, mindlace, and it seems most people do. I, too, would prefer to have one list, which is why I try and shove people over to Firaxis. Alack, alas, with Dan basically not doing anything...

	21-07-1999 02:57									#37
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Mindlace,

I can assure you that Brian and the team are very well aware of the "Apolyton" list and are looking forward to our next effort. If other lists get made on other sites (Sidgames.com has one, for example), that's natural and good for the game. It's Firaxis' duty to sort through it all. However, if you go by site traffic, Apolyton has everybody beat (as far as I know).

But the idea has ALWAYS been for the Firaxis site to combine its work with ours here--and that still is the idea. So don't worry. Things are going pretty much as planned, except that Dan has left us all in the dark on the Firaxis site.

Yin

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	22-07-1999 00:30									#38
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testing 1, 2, 3

	22-07-1999 19:52									#39
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

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	23-07-1999 00:37									#40
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What is that blah about the list at Firaxis? on firaxis.com there are no forums. Or do you mean that 'list' at sidgames.com?

	23-07-1999 12:18									#41
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

http://www.firaxis.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Ultimate.cgi

And there's a direct link on the homepage, which you cant miss. DID YOU EVEN LOOK?!?

	02-08-1999 19:42									#42
	Tired of ads?

As to the issue of one to send off the lists, we should remember that we wanted to send off the previous lists June 26th, and they went out about 3 weeks later. Let's aim to have everything finished by August 8th, Sunday night, and send the things in. While there's still some good things happening in Social Engineering and a few other threads, I know that my thread and several other threads have seriously slowed down- I see no reason not to aim for that date.

Besides, if it takes another 3 weeks to prepare everything afterwards again and make sure it's all in, then we'll hit the end of August as planned.