23-05-1999 05:42									#1
	COMMENTS/QUESTIONS FOR YIN (List Coordinator) Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Now that we have several threads running, it is impossible for me to read all of them all of the time. I've noticed, here and there, comments directed to me in various threads. So, to make sure I don't miss anything from the Thread Masters or anybody with a question or comment, please post them here and know that I will check this thread very often (especially after June 3 when I come back from a business trip).

Here's one for myself:

Yin, can you please wait longer to get majority feedback on forum issues before you make changes?

Yes. Yes, I most certainly can and will.

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[This message has been edited by yin26 (edited May 22, 1999).]

	23-05-1999 06:19									#2
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Apologies in advance if you've encountered these questions elsewhere. I keep on NOT finding the appropriate thread.

Is there a thread to improve the AI's ability? I'm not talking about programming per se, but rather specific actions that strike me as suicidal, such as consistently paying
huge amounts of tribute, or declaring war while on virtual life support.

Simple changes in both these areas (and there are others) would have a huge effect on human game play.

	23-05-1999 06:35									#3
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Txurce,

Click on the announcement at the top next to the mailbox. That will take you to an easy link to all the threads. I hope that helps!


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	24-05-1999 10:29									#4
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Why do you do that -=*BUMP*=- thing? What does it mean?

	24-05-1999 11:06									#5
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He's just posting a new message so the thread gets bumped to the top of the list and doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

	24-05-1999 14:05									#6
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Yin,
I am relatively new to this forum and I get lost in hundreds of ver1.0 ver1.1 ... threads.

Couldnt you put up a word doc to download where everything is summarized (shortly summarized)?
This would help a lot to see what is already suggested.

Thans for any help,
ATa

	24-05-1999 14:17									#7
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There is a summary of everything already suggested in all threads in the <a href=/forums/Forum28/HTML/000039.html>summary thread</a>, as well as summaries at the beginning of the thread for each topic. Unfortunately, the sheer volume of suggestions prevents them from being very short. We're doing the best we can to be concise, but some ideas just can't be expressed in twenty words or less.

Bell--Temporary List Ombudsman

	24-05-1999 18:13									#8
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Thanks Bell,

Yes, I will post a .doc file as soon as our first list is complete at the end of June. It's going to be great!

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	24-05-1999 20:38									#9
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How about a discussion of the map itself - cylinder vs flat, resources, features, etc?
Maybe as an expansion of the borders topic?

	25-05-1999 09:10									#10
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Has Brian given you a clue on how long timewise Civ3 will extend? If he has we probably need a public statement so we can refocus our minds... (if you have already posted one I have missed it). If he hasn't we need a discussion thread here

	25-05-1999 08:39									#11
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Freddz,

I asked him yesterday; nothing yet. I think the project is still too early for him to say, and even if he knows, he might not want to leak out such details so soon. But I'm hoping...

	25-05-1999 10:20									#12
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Umm, it's more of an HTML question, but when I make a link using (href=/forums/"blah" with < and > in place of the paretheses, how do I put text that will describe the link in it?

	25-05-1999 10:23									#13
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LordStone1,

Just go to any post that has the format you are talking about, click the 'edit message' button, and you'll be able to see all the codes and how they make the link. It's the best way to learn, I think.

	25-05-1999 10:44									#14
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Oh, how 'duh' of me!

	26-05-1999 19:20									#15
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Most don't know that you can click on the "Edit Message" and look at the html/ubb even if you aren't the author or an admin (you just can't edit it).

	17-06-1999 05:09									#16
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Yin:

Okay, progress report time. Has the List of Suggestions been sent? I forget how the system works, whether you're sending each list separately to Brian Reynolds or whether you're waiting until each threadmaster sends you the summary and then sending everything simultaneously. If the latter, and if that means the list hasn't yet been sent, who are we waiting on?

Last update I got said that Cheats, Movement, Religion, Player Interface and Units had been taken care of. What about Economics, Diplomacy, City Improvements, Social Engineering and Graphics? And then of course the Technology thread has been passed around more times than a bong at a Pink Floyd concert...

	17-06-1999 05:37									#17
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EnochF,

I'll send another update in a few hours. Not much has changed since the last update, though. Of course, WONDERS came in. I've heard from most Thread Masters (some will submit today or tomorrow). At any rate, we need to get this finished, and I'll let you know in detail later what has yet to be done.

And, yes, I'm waiting to send all of this at once to Brian. So we've got to tie up all the lose ends here and I'll then need to spend some serious hours polishing it up.

	17-06-1999 17:48									#18
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Dear Yin,

Are only the summaries being sent or are the threads themselves? If it is only the summaries can the thread masters be sure to give equal attention and length to each suggestion (even one's they do not like). I have noticed a real trend that some ideas are summarized well, while others are just written off (perhaps unintentally). Shouldn't Brian & the team be reading all posts (and the pros & cons) to get the feel and implementation of the idea rather than a one line incomplete summary. One persons "garbage" is sometimes another's treasure.

	17-06-1999 18:15									#19
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Personally, I think that only the summaries should be sent, as not to overwhelm the Firaxis folks... afterall, they know that this forum exists, so if they want to read the whole thread they know where to look. The summaries give condensed reading.

	17-06-1999 18:16									#20
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Bubba,

Just the summaries will be put together into a big list (which I'm working on now). But I absolutely share you concerns, of course. All of the Thread Masters made a pledge to be fair and represent all ideas equally. However, they are just human, and sometimes the importance of an idea isn't always clear right away. Add to the fact that they are spending an enormous amount of free time on this project, and some things might slip through.

Please help them out where you see things being glossed over. They welcome such help. Also, we'll be posting the list BEFORE we actually send it, so you'll have time to make any last-minute comments about stuff that we missed and/or didn't state fairly enough.

Thanks for the reminder.

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	18-06-1999 06:31									#21
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	23-06-1999 20:32									#22
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Yin, old bean, I seem to be having some problems recently receiving e-mail. The problem seems to be that Microsoft has become rather paranoid about the recent worm virus and has stepped up its firewalls to the point where I've tried and failed to send a simple one-line message to you. Who knows why? Perhaps they're a bit wary of hotmail addresses. In any case, that means that any messages you've been sending the threadmasters recently has not reached me.

This morning, for whatever reason, one message got through. It seemed to be a vote of some kind, and my name appeared off and on in the text, but other than that, I couldn't make head or tail of it, and I'm assuming there were past messages I never got that would have made everything clear.

In short, help! What the hell is going on?

	26-06-1999 05:13									#23
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1: In the Firaxis forum, only the TM:s can post new topics on the list board. Could that be implemented here at Apolyton?

2: Do I have to do something more to my OTHER summary? At this rate of new posts (one during the last week) I won't have to make a new summary until the next month.

	26-06-1999 08:35									#24
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EnochF,

Sorry. I missed your post here! Everything is worked out. (Let's pray)

Ecce Homo--Everybody:

Once the list is out (it's going to exceed 100 pages!!!), we will "clean house" here a bit.

Once the list is released and we start with our improved organization, I'm sure the posts will pick up again. No doubt!


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	28-06-1999 06:24									#25
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Yin, I know you don't like me but I'm worried that when Firaxis reads these summarized idea's, they may misunderstand what the idea really is, because I see a lot of idea's which needs a lot of explaining, and examples, to explain the idea further.

Is there a problem with this do you think?

	28-06-1999 06:24									#26
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Yin, I know you don't like me but I'm worried that when Firaxis reads these summarized idea's, they may misunderstand what the idea really is, because I see a lot of idea's which needs a lot of explaining, and examples, to explain the idea further.

Is there a problem with this do you think?

	28-06-1999 06:54									#27
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Yin

Your doing a great job but can I have anchovies with my next game please? And instead of doing business trips just "trip" - saves on travel expenses.

	28-06-1999 07:19									#28
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Icedan,

I can't remember more than three days back, so I like everybody again after three days.

You are right that certain ideas will need more explaining, and I'm going to 'invite' Firaxis to either contact the Thread Master/poster directly and/or post for feedback on a specific idea from the list that they would like to see clarified. I REALLY hope they take that approach, but it's too early to tell.

However, there was no way to include all the coversations in the list. It's already 100+ pages in summarized form...

Alexander's Horse,

How about something to drink with that order?

Also, I'm trippin now trying to finish this list!

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	04-07-1999 12:18									#29
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Hi all and Yin!

Supreised to hear from me?
Well I am.
Didn't think they would have computers here for our use.

So, greetings from Bejing to all.
Just had to write a line

CA later: Jeje2

	04-07-1999 14:35									#30
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Hey, Jeje,

I'm in Seoul, Korea. Why don't you just fly on over?