15-09-1999 04:55									#1
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I'm challenging you!

I have an OCC game going which I have deliberately paused somewhere in the 19th century. Estimated landing date somewhere before 1925 AD.

Can you beat me to it?

If you're wondering what OCC is check out the rules at the following site.

http://mrtemba.civnation.com

My settings: original game, deity, 7 civs, raging hordes, small map.

So, who will be first and earliest?

Carolus

	15-09-1999 05:08									#2
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I accept you challenge Carolus.
I will use the same setting as you did, and report my result later on.

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	15-09-1999 16:41									#3
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I'll have a try as soon as I have a bit of free time.

	15-09-1999 22:57									#4
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Is that URL right? My nameserver can't find an address for mrtemba.civnation.com

Thanks,

Keith

	17-09-1999 03:15									#5
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I got killed in the game above. Ship would have arrived in 1928 AD.

When I started another one today I got the following techs from the start: Alphabet, Code of Laws, Ceremonial Burial, Bronze Working!!!

I saved immediately at 4000 BC and started playing. There is a very good location with 4 specials to the east of where the settlers are. Monarchy was the first tech I researched!

I think this is a good game for comparison or an attempt at the record. Post here if you want the saved file.

Carolus

	17-09-1999 03:19									#6
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Missed your post, khearn.

I can't load the site either, but I checked two different posts in the strategy forum and they both have the same url.

Does a "/" in the end make any difference? Otherwise the server must be down.

Carolus

	17-09-1999 07:03									#7
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All of CivNation is down for no apparent reason. That IS the correct address, but you'll have to wait until the site starts working again.

	17-09-1999 11:30									#8
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Carolus Rex,
could you please send me your saved file?
You can use the address in my profile.
Thanks.

	18-09-1999 01:04									#9
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I have a OCC game going now, and it looks real good !!

I will finish the game and hopefully land my space ship before 1925

	18-09-1999 22:33									#10
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CN is down because of InterNIC! We had problems with, because they said we didn't pay for the domain! So they de-activated our account. Of course we showed them proof of purchase(registering). They said that they will re-activate account by the end of this week! Who knows when that's going to happen as they said that on Wednsday!

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	19-09-1999 01:54									#11
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gambler,

I sent the saved file to you. Post if you didn't get it.

Carolus

[This message has been edited by Carolus Rex (edited September 19, 1999).]

	19-09-1999 03:09									#12
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Could i have the savegame too ??

My last OCC ended in disater. About 1850 the Celts eliminated all the other opponents except me, and guess what happened !

	19-09-1999 15:40									#13
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Sure, is the e-mail address in your profile OK?

Carolus

	19-09-1999 18:08									#14
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Sure is !

	19-09-1999 22:59									#15
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Carolus Rex,

Add me to the list of people who would like a copy of the savegame. My email is in my profile.

	23-09-1999 02:07									#16
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Lord Raven and skorpion59, I will send you the game. Not tonight because the net is very slow, but sometime this weekend.

I reached AC in 1921 AD (have a save from 1920 AD), which should be fairly easy to beat. I was heading for a much earlier landing, but the Sioux and the Chinese started to bother me.

In the end my glorious size 24 city (which had the default name Veii???) was down to 12 or 13, only improvement left was the factory and there were polluted squares everywhere. Global warming, severe drought, starvation and wave after wave of diplos and units...

Didn't think I would make it, but I was wrong.

Carolus

	23-09-1999 13:44									#17
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Carolus, I haven't yet the time to have a try at your game, but sooner or later I will.

	23-09-1999 22:29									#18
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My first OCC attempt, just to try it out. Extended game (still going!)Arrived Centaurus 1807. I am surprised that it was possible. Chieftain level. I normally play only diety. Literally no resistance from the AI's. I could have saved about 7 years if I had planned a little better when to convert from science to production. My site had whale, fish, buffalo, river, mostly grass and five forests, ocean port. Founded a little late, about 3200. I will try again at higher levels. What are the records for the different difficulty levels? I am sure the level makes a big difference.

	24-09-1999 01:12									#19
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Believe it or not, the record at deity is 1821 AD. Maybe it doesn't seem that good with your 1807 AD landing (congrats!) in mind, but deity makes a big difference.

Please post your attempts at deity here, would be fun to read about.

Carolus

	24-09-1999 16:33									#20
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Trancendance 1845 in the above game, with one city on Centaurus. I am not sure if there are OCC rules about that. It could have been done without a Centaurus city actually, once the ultrastring tech tree was activated.

	27-09-1999 12:04									#21
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Ok, I tried it.
I think I'm doing well, but not the record:

1) The starting site is good but not exceptional, there are at least 5 squares without trade (2 mountains and 3 hills).

2) The AI were hostile toward me, I didnt get much money from them. And now they don't want to trade tech with me.

3) Because of the lack of money, I built Copernicus quite late (after 1AD).

Now I'm at least 10 turns behind my best performance (1827) and I think things will go even worse, but I hope for a landing in the last years of 18xx.

	29-09-1999 15:46									#22
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Last night I finished my first OCC with TOT
with Carolus Rex's Map.
I landed in 1882, so for the time being
I'm the Record Keeper (as long as Paul hasn't TOT)
Well, this time I logged the number of beakers required for every new tech, and I think I have found some weird things:
1) Sometimes the number of beakers went down after I discovered a new tech.
2) Sometimes, without reason, the number of beakers increased without the discovery of a new tech.
3) Every time I got a tech from the AI, the number of beakers grew at a higher rate.

If you like, I can publish the log (I logged only the beakers, not improvements and wonders)

	29-09-1999 22:17									#23
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Congrats on your landing!

I would like to see the beaker log, but writing logs aren't exactly, hm, exciting

But if you have the time, please post it.

Carolus

	29-09-1999 22:34									#24
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I have sent the file to everyone who wanted it.

Let me know if you didn't receive it.

Carolus

	30-09-1999 11:32									#25
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Yes, writing log is boring...
But I had to check the number of beakers for micromanagement, so I logged them without effort. (I logged only beakers and "special" events).

Here is the log:

A single ? means "I'm not sure of it"
A multiple ???? means "I can't explain it"

As you can see, I followed a strange science path, I discovered Laser before Feudalism,
I delayed it because I tried to get/steal that tech from the AI, but I couldn't.
Please note that I didin't discovered chivarly, since I got Leadership form the AI.

Around 1700 the AI was very hostile toward me, they didn't trade techs and killed all my caravans and diplos, (for the first time I was forced to give them knowledge for a cease fire) but after I discovered Tactics they became as mild as a lamb.

In the end I couldn't rushbuy Apollo and spaceship components and modules, so my launch was delayed a lot, but the AI didn't annoy me.

3900? Horseman
3800? Archers
3700 Veii Founded , Next 10b
3550 Gh Currency -> Next 18b
3350 Gh Horseback riding ->Next 27
3300 Gh Trade -> Next 36b
3100 Meet Sioux , Map Making -> Next 45
2900 Gh Masonry -> Next 54
2700 Monarchy -> Next 70
2650 Govt Monarchy
2400? Caravan Hides
2300 Gh Tribe -> Reloading
2200 -> Next 84 Why ?????
2150 sioux -> Mysticism,100 gold -> Next 96
2050 Meet Chinese -> War
2000 gh Mathematics -> next 108
1950 Sioux -> Writing, 100 gold -> Next 120
1900 gh Horseman
1800 Meet German,Peace
1650 Construction -> Next 132
1600 gh Archer, Trade route Hides 80
1550 Colossus
1500 Meet English, 100 gold -> Next 168
1500 -> Next 121 Why ????
1350 Literacy -> Next 144
1200 Temple
950 Caravan
850 Republic -> Revolution -> Next 195
825 Govt Republic -> WLTPD Size 6
800 Caravan
750 Colosseum
700 Aqueduct
600 End WLTPD Size 12
575 Philosophy -> Astronomy
575 Germans -> Iron working
575 Egyptians -> Pottery
500 Library
450 Trade route Hides 200
425 Medicine -> Next 270
425 Trade route Silver 205
400 Bridge Building, Sioux -> Wheel, Next 400
350 Caravan
200 Engineering, next 420
1 AD Build Shakespeare, Sanitation -> Next 440
180 Build Sewer, Start WLTPD Size 12
220 Banking , Next 630, Trade route 400
260 Invention, Next 480 ????
380 End WLTPD Size 19
420 Democracy , 550 next
440 Govt Democracy, Next 500???
520 Gunpowder, next 520
580 University,next 540
640 Gravity , next 588
700 Metallurgy next 609
720 Next 696
760 Chemistry, next 630
820 Explosives, next 651
880 Conscription, next 672
900 Chinese, Seafearing next 726
940 Economics, next 748
1000 Navigation, next 735
1080 Phisycs,next 756
1160 Atomic Thoery, Next 814
1220 Steam Engine, next 836
1280 Railroad, next 858
1340 Industrialization, next 880
1360 Newton
1380 Magnetism, next 902
1420 Corporation, next 924
1460 Electricity, next 946
1500 Electronics, next 968
1520 Refrigeration, next 1080
1550 Steel next, 1104
1580 refining, 1128
1610 Combustion, 1152
1620 Darwin, Automobile, Mass Production, next 1200
1650 Nuclear Fission, 1224
1690 Nuclear Power, 1248
1710 Flight, next 1272
1730 Radio, next 1296
1752 Laser, Chinese Warrior Code, LeaderShip, next 1425
1758 Feudalism, 1450
1764 Tactics, 1475
1770 Polytheism, 1500
1776 Machine Tools, 1464 ????
1782 Advanced Flight, 1550
1788 Miniaturization, 1575
1794 Computers, 1600
1800 Mobile Warfare, 1625
1804 Robotics, 1650
1810 Rocketry, Egyptians Communism, 1768
1814 Space Flight, next 1794
1818 Plastics, next 1820
1824 Superconductor, Egyptians Monotheism, 1800 ?????
1830 Fusion Power
1867 Launch
1882 Land

	03-10-1999 11:34									#26
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C-Rex could you give me a copy of the OCC TOT game please.... would love to try it out. You may also be able to help me track down the old OCC 4 whales game as well. I want a crack at that too

	03-10-1999 20:30									#27
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Sure, is the e-mail address in your profile OK?

I'll look for the four whale game too.

Carolus

	04-10-1999 06:03									#28
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Yes C-Rex the email is valid and i found the 4whales but i can't play it. Damm winzip for some reason i unzip and then can't run the thing i unzipped I am very green when it comes to these sort of things hehe

	15-10-1999 13:06									#29
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Can someone tell me where I can find the complete OCC rules now that http://mrtemba.civnation.com/ is down?

	15-10-1999 20:12									#30
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You can find the rules and strategy tips in my OCC strategy guide at http://home.planet.nl/~belt0018/occ.htm

If you want to know more about OCC you can also find many threads in the Civ2 Strategy forum.