20-12-1999 03:51									#1
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All right, i've updated CivConverter to new 1.3 version.
This version contains a partial support for FW scenarios: this means that i have still first turn problem with some scenarios but not with the majority of FW scenarios.
Plus i've successfully corrected a lot of bugs of V1.2 (i hope you didn't notice them ).
You can find it at www.click2send.com (pickup a file -> CivConverter -> CivConverter.zip) and i'm also sending a copy to all sites who requested previous version.
Consider it my Christmas gift

Merry Christmas and happy new year!
Angelo

	20-12-1999 03:54									#2
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BTW: Please post here all bugs or problems you'll find in this version of CivConverter and let me know about scenarios in which you find the "first turn problem".

Angelo

	20-12-1999 12:36									#3
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Well, when I try it, it always gives me "illegal operation" stuff

	20-12-1999 21:03									#4
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What?!
You left me wordless
I tested it on a great number of scenarios random selected at SLeague and it worked!
(holywar, granada, charlemagne, barron, liortage, revwar, etc...).
I'm playing converted Barron right now!
Please i need to know a bit more about this problem to solve it:
When the error came out? (during conversion phase or after, when ToT uses converted scenario).
Which scenarios give you the problem and if the problem happened during the conversion phase can you tell me what was civconverter doing ? (i bet it was caused by rules.txt conversion routines, i hate them!).
BTW: can you try to convert one of scenarios i cited above and tell me if you succeded ?

Angelo

	21-12-1999 12:00									#5
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Well, I've only tried FW scenarios.

I opened DOS prompt and changed the directory to D:\CivConverter then went "CivConverter D:\games\mps\civ2\scenario\ACW'99v2\ACW'99v2.scn" and it gave me the illegal operation message

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	21-12-1999 17:00									#6
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I also kept getting an illegal operation as well but only for one scenario, USCW2001 (Dracon should be familiar with it!). The scenario was created with CIC, I'm pretty sure, so I was boggled as to why it might return an illegal operation. However, I tried my other two FW scenarios (Dungeon V.2 and Underdark) and it converted perfectly right down to the "T". No one's told me how to use the the BMP files for graphics instead of the TOT graphics so I'm still stumped with that one. I was wondering, why did CivConverter create a terrain2.bmp file for USCW2001 when it originally never had one? Anyways, if you want, I'll e-mail the scenario to you. Great program though! My stomach hurts at the mere thought of having to wait for future versions!

	21-12-1999 17:24									#7
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why angello, if you're submiting your file to our civ2 db, please see this page first http://apolyton.net/civ2/db/submitfile.shtml

	22-12-1999 14:14									#8
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Okay, everything was working perfectly pretty much as I was able to convert Harlan's Pacific War scenario and Blackclove's Dungeon. However, things got wierd when I tried converting Darthveda's Wing Commander scenario. It converted okay but I wasn't able to turn enable the "Turn off .spr" option that came with the patch. For some reason, deleting the game.txt file fixed this and allowed me to access those options again. Any ideas why?

	22-12-1999 16:33									#9
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I downloaded the "Iran" and "Homeric Age" scenarios from the CSC. Iran converted fine but when the conversion got to the rules.txt in Homeric Age it said there was an illegal operation.

	23-12-1999 03:34									#10
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Just an update:
Dracon, i've checked scenario you told me and i've found the error (i was right,it's the damned rules.txt routine and this also explains why a CiC scenario is also affected); i'm going to fix it right now.

For USCW2001 the problem is another, i've discovered it and i'm working to fix this one also.

For Homeric Age the problem is worse and to fix this one i shall rewrite completely the rules.txt routines (so we can retalk about it after holidays...) luckily you can solve this kind of problem by hand: The problem is that CivConverter expects rules.txt with all sections (@TERRAIN, @UNITS, etc...) but in Homeric Age Rules.txt the @CIVILIZE section is missing! so, if you want the converter to work you have to add (with cut & paste) the @CIVILIZE section from CivConverter rules.txt file to original homeric rules.txt (just after @COSMIC and before @IMPROVE)and then launch CivConverter and the problem should be solved.

Another thing: it seems confirmed that the first turn problem (which seems to happen in some scenarios on the second or third turn...) is caused (like i wrote into the readme) by Major objectives so "stay away" from scenarios with Major Objectives !
( BTW may someone else confirm this one? )

To SixArmedMan(Terrain2.bmp): You're right, it's a bit strange, and really V1.2 converted only files present into the original scenario directory but this caused a problem when converting a scenario with Terrain1 and not Terrain2 because ToT used Terrain2 standard (which is darker) mixed with converted Terrain1 (which, coming from Civ2 is brighter) this created a fuzzy effect on graphic, with sea and coastal tiles darker than ground tiles, so in this version if CivConverter find a Terrain1 without a Terrain2 it creates a Terrain2 using the Civ2 standard Terrain2 trying to make a more correct graphic conversion.

To SixArmedMan(game.txt):Yes, in the hurry to finish a complete version (with game.txt support and others txt files) before holidays i made a game.txt routine a bit "brutal": it simply attach game.txt from original scenario and adds sections exclusive of ToT; this make the scenario conversion good but has an evident side effect: since in game.txt are written all texts of menu, windows, etc... you can get menu labels from old civilization (so without "turn off .spr" and so on) luckily the problem is only apparent because (like you said) if you remove (you can just move it to another directory) game.txt only the time for setting new options and then move it into converted directory again you can riddle of this problem.
After holidays probably i'll create a more "smart" routine able to convert menu and windows messagges correctly but for now you must keep it just like it is.

I hope to put on Click2Send a patch and an updated version tomorrow (it will be V1.31) able to fix problems with USCW2001 and ACW'992v scenarios (and other scenarios with the same problems)and to send it to all sites i've sent the 1.3 version.

To MarkG: Well, i sent CivConverter V1.3 to Apolyton 19 December but don't worry, i read the submit rules and created a txt files with all information requested (Only i didn't join all in a whole zip file, is this a problem ?)

Angelo
[This message has been edited by Angelo Scotto (edited December 22, 1999).]

	23-12-1999 11:32									#11
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Thanks man

	23-12-1999 15:33									#12
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Thanks for the help with "Homeric Age", it converted fine after I added the @civilize (haven't played it yet though). But then I dowloaded "The End Of The Bronze Age" scenario from CSC and that also stopped converting when it got to rules.txt, this one does have a @civilize. Please work your magic again and sorry to bother you.
[This message has been edited by IG-88 (edited December 23, 1999).]

	24-12-1999 01:38									#13
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Will you eventually make a "windows" version of it?

	24-12-1999 03:06									#14
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Ok, i've updated files at click2send and i've sent mail.

IG-88:I've examined "The end of the bronze age" scenario and i've found that the problem was the same of acw99v2 so it should be fixed now with the V1.31
Don't worry about bother me: i can't try all scenarios so your help is very useful.

Bill3000: Sure, but first i have to make the "engine" more stable, once fixed all this problems i'll make a GUI version for windows

Angelo

	25-12-1999 14:14									#15
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Sorry but there is yet another problem. I updated Civconverter and the End of the Bronze Age scenario converted perfectly, but then when I tried to convert a different scenario (Persian Empire), it got to Rules.txt and said "error in converting txt file! unable to continue, exiting..." It didn't crash or anything just stopped! I must be bad luck.

	26-12-1999 05:42									#16
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Angelo

Can you please post your program on apolyton, or somwhere else. I cant get it from that strange click place...

	29-12-1999 21:17									#17
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This is the best converter I've seen made to date, you have saved TOT from becoming forgoten like Cctp!

	29-12-1999 23:56									#18
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Angelo, I'd just like to thank you for your work on this program and encourage you to keep going until it's perfected. Something like this can mean the difference between a game that becomes part of the evolution of Civ and one that gets put on the shelf. I just wish that Microprose saw it that way too.

	30-12-1999 05:43									#19
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Can ANYONE please send it to me via email or point me to a site other then that click?

	31-12-1999 15:31									#20
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Does it convert MGE files? If not then is it possible to make it so it would?

	04-01-2000 10:15									#21
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Congratulations Angelo, on an excellent program! I've converted several of my FW scenarios and, with a little work, they come out fine.

Some adjustments must still be made manually, although these are trivial given the huge labour saving value of the program. The CivConverter dosn't seem to convert sav. files. I had to remove them from the folder before I could convert successfully. 'Title' and 'people' files should not be changed to 24-bit bmp's before conversion. They should be copied directly into the appropriate ToT scenario folder. The civ colours of units and cities are not converted, this must be done manually after conversion. And sound files must be copied directly and the rules text manually modified to relate the appropriate wav. file to the corresponding unit.

All in all it's an excellent utility which will enhance the enjoyment of ToT for everyone who bought it.

Message to Microprose/Hasbro: If you had done this work prior to the release of ToT, it would have been much more successful. Keep it in mind for Civ3!

	04-01-2000 11:32									#22
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I should know this. How do you change the colour of the city for particular civs? And for the bar across the tops of units?

And why do I have to fill in my username and password everytime I post now?

	04-01-2000 19:22									#23
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It works! Thanks! Now I can play my favourite scenarios again.

	06-01-2000 01:40									#24
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Hi all and thanks for your positive comments.

IG-88:I've looked the Persian Empire scenario and it seems that the problem is a bit strange: while the scn file is from FW, the rules.txt is from CiC (No extra units defined and so on), i've successfully converted it adding by hand sections from FW to Rules.txt, probably i'll fix this one in the next version (rewriting the code) but it will take a lot of time.

VetLegion: I posted CivConverter to Apolyton a lot of time ago, maybe they are adding it to db right now (i hope so...), if you haven't still found it make me know and i'll send you the converter.

Stefu: I haven't tried CivConverter with MGE scenarios but i haven't programmed it for MGE scenarios so i don't think it will function. Certainly is possible to fix CivConverter to handle MGE scenarios but i'm still waiting the help of someone with MGE (maybe in the next versions...)

Don't expect a new version of civconverter soon (i think i'll restart to work on it early in march, sorry but university exams are knocking on my door... ).

Angelo

	06-01-2000 02:04									#25
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Anyone looking for the latest version of the CivConverter can download here: CivConverter
[This message has been edited by William Keenan (edited January 05, 2000).]

	06-01-2000 05:44									#26
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William Keenan

Thanks! A great site too.

	07-01-2000 05:58									#27
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Angelo

I downloaded 2194Days scenario, and It crashes in the first turn. Also, between all the original scenario graphics, I noticed a pikemen and a caravel from ToT graphics? Did I do something wrong, or is scenario badly converted? Can it be played?

	12-01-2000 02:44									#28
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WW2Euro crashed!
Red Front crashed!

Anyone know a good WW2 scenario that can be played via CivConverter?

	12-01-2000 04:05									#29
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I bet it has something to do with the Victory settings.

	12-01-2000 08:18									#30
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