22-02-2000 00:31									#1
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Okay, there may be no shield here, but the "Civilization Indicator Bar" will not change colors at all. Will I took the Russians (White) and replaced all the white in the three rows and the flag into variations of red (Yes, in the City.bmp). But in the game, while the City names are red, the shield colors is still white (Well, really a grey). Why is this not working? Is there something in the flag box I have to change?

	22-02-2000 00:38									#2
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I would also like to know how to change the "shield" color, if at all possible, some of those colors are anoying

	23-02-2000 20:23									#3
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The flags in city.bmp no longer control the shield color. The colors are controlled by the rules text, which is really no choice at all. The shield colors are very hard to differentiate. It's hard to tell who is your enemy and who is your friend.

	24-02-2000 05:09									#4
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I tried that too, but the colors didn't even change.

	24-02-2000 06:38									#5
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There is a file in the ToT root directory named pattern.gif. This may have somthing to do with the colors.

	24-02-2000 10:11									#6
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A .gif? I thought all the files were .bmp's, but I'll look at it anyway...

Minutes Later

Looks exactly like the original Civ2 file, but with the entire palette in the Settler's position. How would that help?

[This message has been edited by Fast_Eddie (edited February 24, 2000).]

	24-02-2000 18:34									#7
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Read Allard's tip on the the civ pallet, http://sleague.apolyton.net/Guides/sldt_palette.shtml .

The Units.gif has, in previous versions, been the pallete supplier. Iterestingly a units gif named palette is included with ToT. Is this an accident? I think not.

	24-02-2000 20:18									#8
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I will have to take a looksee into this...

	01-03-2000 01:38									#9
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Has anyone had any luck with this?

(I don't really know what I am doing, only fiddling)

I replaced the pallete with the transparent pink colour, for a laugh, but it appears to have no effect. If removing the pallette doesn't do anything I don't see what does.

There are now 3 lines of colour above the flags in cities.bmp. The middle one doesn't appear to control anything. The bottom one gives the colour of the City Size box and the Unit 'shield' although the Unit colour is always darker. Somewhere there has got to be a filter which makes the colour darker. I have even tried to replace the colour of the 'shield' in units.bmp with one of the colours used (red or dark red) in Civ2 to indicate owning Civ colour but to no avail.

In addition, don't the 16 bit .bmps have no pallette becasue they are True Colour?

	01-03-2000 10:39									#10
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Man! I don't even know what I did, but whatever it was, my shields are now the right color (Except for that ugly brownish excuse for an orange).

Somehow, I got the Civs to turn out this way:

White - Red
Green - Orange
Navy Blue - Navy Blue
Yellow - Yellow
Cyan - Cyan
Orange - Green
Purple - Dark Red

If anyone wants to see my citis.bmp I'll send it to you so that you can test it with your games!

	01-03-2000 12:26									#11
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Yes please! c.hills@bigpond.com

	01-03-2000 16:58									#12
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GIVE IT RIGHT HERE!!!! darthveda@hotmail.com

	01-03-2000 21:10									#13
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Give it too me big boy!!!!!!!!!!!

	02-03-2000 15:56									#14
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Please! Address in my profile is good.

	02-03-2000 20:01									#15
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Sent

	03-03-2000 10:30									#16
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Ok, I just copied and pasted into a cities.bmp for a saved game. Yes the flags changed colour but they are still the same murky shade.

What else did you alter?

	03-03-2000 00:53									#17
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I remember John saying something about that Microprose had programed in (this is hard coded then) that all the colors would be reduced by a shade or so.

Since it's a BMP, try lightening up the orange to a higher gamma setting and see if that helps the brown.

	03-03-2000 04:20									#18
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Nope, that's all that I changed that would have to do with color.

BTW, Darth, I tried sending it to you twice, but it didn't work. Apparently that account doesn't exist anymore.

	04-03-2000 14:33									#19
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Cam - have you used the flags yet, what did you find?

	05-03-2000 02:17									#20
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Fast Eddie,

A belated 'thanks' for sending it through.

Miner,

I found exactly as was described in Eddie's post - it's encouraging that we've been able to isolate the cities.bmp file as the one, and 'yes' you can change tribe colours...

I have 'tinkered' with all three horizontal stripes (above each flag icon) and found that the text of the city name is the colour of the top stripe, the city size box is the bottom stripe, the shield colour is a darker shade of this bottom stripe colour, and the middle stripe appears at this early point to be superfluous. I don't believe at this point that any of the pixels in the flags affect tribe colours in ToT, unlike traditional Civ2.

I have also found that it's the second column of vertical pixels in these stripes that affect the final colours - so really 'when push comes to shove' it's the top stripe, second pixel and bottom stripe, second pixel that's the key (me thinks).


[This message has been edited by Cam (edited March 04, 2000).]

	05-03-2000 09:27									#21
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Nice work Cam!

	05-03-2000 11:56									#22
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Another thing is the SIZE of the shields that piss me off - you can't tell the difference between 'f' and '_' and others...

	05-03-2000 14:44									#23
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Thanks William - if I'd read the thread more carefully I would have noted that Miner had already uncovered about half of my 'discoveries' - d-oh!

	05-03-2000 23:17									#24
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At least that's finally figured out!

	06-03-2000 01:17									#25
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Damn good work!!!!!!!!!

These shield colours have been driving me up the wall.

It is just a pity that we can't do something about the dark shade to the units. Since the bottom strip governs both unit and City Size box there is always going to be a difference in shade.

I hope this is going to get submitted as a SL Tip.


[This message has been edited by Miner (edited March 05, 2000).]

	06-03-2000 09:33									#26
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Perhaps an 'update' of Dan Scheltema's existing tip on flags and colours rather than a new one may suffice? It can be found at sleague.apolyton.net/Guides/sldt_flags.shtml

Unfortunately I can't upload any files to the League (I don't have permission), so until Blackclove resurfaces, I might draft something for the Cradle site instead - or as well as; civ.cx unless someone feels keen to act on it themselves... takers? Miner? Eddie?

[This message has been edited by Cam (edited March 05, 2000).]

	06-03-2000 11:50									#27
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I don't know much about html...so I'm out...

	07-03-2000 12:35									#28
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Ditto. Have been meaning to learn but don't have the time!

	07-03-2000 19:17									#29
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OK OK

I've written to Dan but not heard back from him. I'll do a short ToT focus for 'The Cradle' and tie it into Dan's for 'The League'. William and I are drafting a tip on another ToT feature at the moment, but it shouldn't hold up this quick tip unduly.