28-04-2001 16:45									#1
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Firaxis has decided to impose a 7 civilization per game limit in Civ 3. This is a severe blow to the idea of massively multiplayer games. If we complain enough, though, they might still change it.

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	28-04-2001 18:48									#2
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Is fine with me, as 7 creak along now.

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	28-04-2001 20:37									#3
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would have been nice to have been given the option though

	28-04-2001 20:57									#4
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7 civs is ok for SP but MP should be more, they are once agia nshowing that MP is not high on their agenda.. FIRAXIS sux , \

I wont buy Civ 3 if this continues, I wil lsimply upgrade my coping software and burn illegal copies

	28-04-2001 23:05									#5
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The apologetic justification some SP players gave it is that more than 7 civs would "burden the AI". This is IMO bull***t - the computing technology has advanced a lot since Civ 1 (which also had 7 civs) was released... Anyway, multiplayer mode doesn't require much AI, so it's a pathetic excuse.

Go forth, children, and make your displeasure known at the Civ 3 General/Suggestions forum, as I have already done!

	29-04-2001 02:51									#6
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they should at least make it 8 civs
so that we could do 4 on 4 tribe matches if we wanted to.

	29-04-2001 04:06									#7
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Even the Single players should like lots of civs, especially for scenarios. I love having lots of players even if they are AI. Different enemies to deal with, different alliances and whatnot. I know that in the European Diplo game i would have loved to have more players, that Europe map is waay too massive to just have 7 players. Empires were too big, and it took too much time up just filling in the space. But in single player something like that with 10 different civs would be great. You could have Britain, Germany, France, Russia, Italy, Turkey, Austria, Spain, and Sweden for example, and could have a grand ol' time. Or all sorts of other benifits for Scenario builders. Rather than having a 'neutrals' that takes up half the map they could all be real counties, and it could make scenarios much better.

Time us multiplayers speak up. MORE CIVS!!

	29-04-2001 05:09									#8
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Even eight or nine civs, I wish they'd push it just a bit. Nothing too drastic

	29-04-2001 05:14									#9
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by OzzyKP on 04-28-2001 07:06 PM</font>
Or all sorts of other benifits for Scenario builders. Rather than having a 'neutrals' that takes up half the map they could all be real counties, and it could make scenarios much better.

Time us multiplayers speak up. MORE CIVS!!
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Oh yeah, don't even speak about the scenarios I try to make where the neutrals end up being more powerful than anybody else as I didn't have enough free civ slots to split the neutrals up ...

	29-04-2001 05:15									#10
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BTW: Please post your views on this in the Civ 3 forum too. Firaxis doesn't look here...

	29-04-2001 06:42									#11
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get serious..7 is more than enough for multiplayer.Can you imagine playing a 10 player game?A 15?You'd have a heck of time getting a session together and I can hear the whining now.

It would be nice to have more slots if there is to be any scenario creation capabilities but other than that...

	29-04-2001 07:25									#12
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Imagine the restarts with 15 players we would never play again

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	29-04-2001 08:51									#13
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Ditto Smash and Hydey. Between software and modem drop outs and organising sessions with everyone involved, any more than 7 would be a nightmare. There are more important elements to argue for in the new version than the number of civs.

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	29-04-2001 08:53									#14
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Hydey on 04-28-2001 10:25 PM</font>
Imagine the restarts with 15 players we would never play again

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Hydey - it looks like you have the letter "L" after "prot" in your sig. I think it's meant to be the number "1".

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	29-04-2001 11:34									#15
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7 is more than enough. How hard is it to get even 6 or more players to regularly continue a game, not to mention the time for an entire turn to take.
Maybe some would like more as an option, but not me.

	02-05-2001 13:36									#16
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but for those people who now have better conenctions and these are expanding all the time (CABLE & Such) dropouts wont be as big a problem... Also if you dont like Big Multi game sdont play them , but many times i have wante dto join the aussie bunch in a game but no slots left, so more civs are needed...

	03-05-2001 03:24									#17
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Rasputin on 05-02-2001 04:36 AM</font>
many times i have wante dto join the aussie bunch in a game but no slots left, so more civs are needed...
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That is because Horse doesn't put enough civs in usually 5, if he put 7 in there would be plenty of civs for you Raz

Then again perhaps he does it on purpose



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	03-05-2001 04:50									#18
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I think that Civ3 should expand to include 10 civilizations at a time. Even in Multiplaying situations.

I don't understand the argument that seven is too much anyway. If that is the issue don't play with 10 people, don't play with 7 people. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play with the optimum amount of people in a game.

Hopefully this is not true, or this is not the final decision. I was really hoping more than 7 would be allowed to play at once. MP or Sp.

We'll have to wait and see.

	03-05-2001 06:29									#19
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10 civs would make for short sessions..... can you imagine the first millenium with 10 civs.....

options are nice but think of how hard it would be to continue with 10 people...... things come up ....... life changes...... adding more variables to this spells mp disaster in my eyes....


I like the idea of alot of civs in sp mode...... but in mp i think 7 is enough especially late in the game when turns take a long time as it is