03-02-2000 14:02									#1
	Is there a Map Editor for TOT? Remove this text

is there a better faster way to edit a map other than square-by-square, there was a map editor included in Civ2...

	03-02-2000 14:43									#2
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From the game's readme file:

quote: 26. With regret, we must announce that we can no longer support a map editor with this product. Test of Time will accept maps made by a map editor included in any of the other Civ II products, however.

	04-02-2000 00:55									#3
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I still don't understand WHY it isn't included.

Anything about disk space is a lie.

It must be lazy programmers. They would have to alter the damn thing to accept all the new formats.

	04-02-2000 21:18									#4
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I think I've explained this before, but the problem was a fatal interaction between a couple of program files--some of the new .DLLs wouldn't run with the old map editor, and trying it led to a hideous crash.

I believe we could have gotten the two to play together, but it would have taken so much time that the game would have shipped quite late. Making the game late would have made a lot of people unhappy (especially retailers who had it on their schedules). We decided not to do so for two big reasons. One, that so many people already had previous versions of Civ II and could use that map editor (in a parallel install). Two, between the in-game terrain changing feature and the ChangeTerrain event action, it's really not that difficult (with a little planning) to modify maps even without the map editor.

Maybe we made the wrong call, but I don't think we did it for lazy or selfish reasons.

	07-02-2000 16:52									#5
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That might not be too hard to modify existing maps in the cvi2 engine, but you'll have maps with no rivers or rivers in odd locations.

	07-02-2000 19:10									#6
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Yeah, rivers are sort of the bugbear in the works.

	13-07-2000 01:01									#7
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Where can I download the old map editor?

	14-07-2000 10:54									#8
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It's not a problem of just handing over the .exe, but the entire Civ directory would have to come with it. Unless you own MGE or Civ2, you'll never be able to use it.

	15-07-2000 05:19									#9
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Then send me the whole folder!

E-mail:Bfn3bga@erols.com

LAZY PROGRAMERS!

	15-07-2000 09:37									#10
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	15-07-2000 18:48									#11
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would it be possable for someone to make a map editor?

	17-07-2000 08:32									#12
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To run the Civ2 Map Editor you will need only the following files from the Original Civ2 or Civ2-FW or Civ2-MGE copied into a directory which is different to that which holds your Civ2-ToT files :

Civ2map.exe
Cities.gif
City.txt
Civ2.dat
Credits.txt
Errors.db
Game.txt
Icons.gif
Inter.dat
Labels.txt
Mapmenu.txt
Menu.txt
Modules.db
Rules.txt
Terrain1.gif
Terrain2.gif
Civ2art.dll
Commdlg.dll
Cpuid16.dll
Dbclient.dll
Smedsnet.dll
Tiles.dll
Timerdll.dll

(Many of these files are different versions from their equivalents in Civ2-ToT and so cannot be run from the same directory.)