20-03-2001 23:16									#1
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Its time for us to have a big game...

I'd like to play on king level, if there is no city bribing then there should be no GW. Maybe a medium pre made map?
when can u guys play?

	21-03-2001 00:10									#2
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I am definitly interested in what would be the 3d game involving the 3 of us. I don't really care about the settings, I'll play what the majority wants. I can play twice a week, most nights after 8pm ct exept mon and wednsday or on the weekend (morning and evening works better).
My only whishes are no city bribing and a strong determination towards finishing the game from all players.

	21-03-2001 00:22									#3
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I am definitly interested in what would be the 3d game involving the 3 of us. I don't really care about the settings, I'll play what the majority wants. I can play twice a week, most nights after 8pm ct exept mon and wednsday or on the weekend (morning and evening works better).
My only whishes are no city bribing and a strong determination towards finishing the game from all players.
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I will finish this game no matter what. I would like a blood lust game. I have played this game for so long and we haven't once used stealth, or mech infantry in a MP game. The game always ends with a 1 tech a turn race to the spaceship.

We should go sim turns for the start of the game, if war becomes a problem later in the game we will switch to turn based. 1200 AD + ?

my proposal.

no wonders/bloodlust except for eiffle tower
no tech trading/stealing
no allainces
no caravans to other civs (that 1500+ gold a carvan in modern times will screw up the game)
premade med map.
no city bribes

	21-03-2001 07:12									#4
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I don't know about nappy but I like the wonder races, and the space race. I am afraid that a bloodlust no wondergame would turn into a bench of cities on hills and nobody doing research, just cranking out units.

	21-03-2001 08:53									#5
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Actually this would be the 4th game that we have played together. Markus and I tried the No Wonder/No City Bribe/King level game with Crusty and it turned out to be a military stalemate with each of us having 55-65 cities. A deity level game with wonders might be more decisive, though a race to AC would definitely provide a clear cut winner. As far as playing times, Tues. night after 8-9 CST would work for me.

	21-03-2001 09:56									#6
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ok then, no restrictions on wonders caravans etc. just no city bribe, emp level?

	21-03-2001 18:38									#7
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I omited the 3d game since we never got around to finish it. Tuesday night works for me. Would that be a once a week game? I could play 1 more session per week on the week end. I can also play on thursday night or friday night if we want to get this game going this week.
Couple settings to agree on:
no city bribing?
no alliance?
no tech trading?
no tech stealing? until spys?
no caravans to other civs?
Limiting micromanaging:
no step rush building?
when you move a worker, it has to stay there at least 2 turns?
Either way is fine with me, I just want to agree up front.
Regarding play level and map king, emp or deity is fine with me. I have a slight preference for premade maps but don't mind a random 1 with a preference for smaller ones (games when each player has 50 cities take too long). The ideal would be a premade map made by somebody not involved in the game.

	23-03-2001 04:27									#8
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ok then, no restrictions on wonders caravans etc. just no city bribe, emp level?

Also i never move workers in any of my games, or make scientists in cities under size 20

	23-03-2001 05:33									#9
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I'll be glad to make the map if you want. Just let me know the details...

	23-03-2001 23:12									#10
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I think we'll take you up on that offer cavebear. Thanks. Do you mind icqing a balanced small or medium map to 1 of us?
Is Nappy on spring break and unavailable for a while? Too hard to agree on settings through the forums we should get together in an icq chat room when nappy is back.

	23-03-2001 23:30									#11
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no marco polo, no embasy etc.

I would also like to double the tech paradigm. Slower advances in the end game will make this game better( allow for an actual war). Maybe also up the spaceship mass thing. So the fastest ship takes 10 years to get there not 4.

To be honest i wouldn't mind trying curumbers tech path he set up in his games. For instance a lot more tech is needed to get a spaceship, where as currently you can skip large portions of the tech tree altogether.

	24-03-2001 00:22									#12
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I have found a way of playing playing TOT extended multiplayer games. That means we can have alian civs when we launch our spaceships, things like replicators, new units, wonders etc in multiplayer games.

Would you 2 be interested in trying this out?

	24-03-2001 05:08									#13
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I think we'll take you up on that offer cavebear. Thanks. Do you mind icqing a balanced small or medium map to 1 of us?
Is Nappy on spring break and unavailable for a while? Too hard to agree on settings through the forums we should get together in an icq chat room when nappy is back.
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I'll need some details on the settings and number of players, type of landmasses, climate, etc. Do you like navigable rivers? Should there be huts? Easy terrain for building or hard? And it will work better if you email me, I tend to lose track of threads, sometimes.

	28-03-2001 10:13									#14
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Cavebear: I prefere a small map with medium size cont (that can support about 30 cities). Hutts, easy terrain for building. But I am not sure about the others preferences.
Nappy, markus, are you guys able to get this going tonight?

	28-03-2001 10:35									#15
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I would like to use curumbers new rules.txt I started another diplo game on the weekend and using it we have found game play is MUCH improved. Especially end game play. Perhaps we should reduce the movement of ships etc, its the tech path that i find has been the most enhanced.

i can play tonight if nappy can. i asked him last night but he never got around to giving an answer. He wanted a 4th player, maybe bezerker, he is always on, and finishes his games.
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	29-03-2001 07:48									#16
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I have a map ready. One continent, some islands, sone navigible rivers, varied terrain. 4 civs, 1 settler each, no extra techs. There are huts. I made it a global medium map (50x80), but that is so there is some ocean space around the continent.

Everyone has about the same start, all 4 are on the continent, and no one is stuck at the point of a penninsula.

This would be a good map to play with no one knowing the terrain or location of the other civs ahead of time. So, now that it is ready, where should I send it?

REVIEWS:

Amerigo Vespucci: Now *that'sa* my idea of a map"!

Alexander the Great: "Just the right size; I could take over the whole place by the time I was 31".

Fordor: "Not even a single 2 star restaraunt to be found; just buffalo and corn and some fish. The few pheasants were uniformly overcooked".

Christian Dior: "I thought highly of the silk in several places, and look forward to the discovery of dyes".

Columbus: "First I couldn't find Cathay. Now I can't even find the New World. Wjat's going on here, anyway"?

	09-04-2001 20:39									#17
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alright we play tomorrow was it? Might even be able to do it tonight (zylka/war4ever) seem to not show up regularly.

I think everyone agrees that bezerker should join as the 4rth player.

	10-04-2001 09:36									#18
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I'll be there tomorrow night after 8:00 pm ct. Cavebear do you mind e-mailing the map to 1 of us. My address is wvernier@sprintmail.com.
Thanks again for making the map for us.

	10-04-2001 09:55									#19
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what about tonight arii? the rest of us will be here.

	10-04-2001 00:13									#20
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I'm not home until 8:30-9:00 pm. I'll check out whne I'll get home

	10-04-2001 01:12									#21
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I'll be there tomorrow night after 8:00 pm ct. Cavebear do you mind e-mailing the map to 1 of us. My address is wvernier@sprintmail.com.
Thanks again for making the map for us.
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It's in the mail...

	10-04-2001 01:35									#22
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Thanks again cavebear. Let me know if you need any map for your future games.

	11-04-2001 10:22									#23
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next time don't think him till you play

where the hell did raging hordes come from? Game was a disastor... had 3 cities at 1000 ad, but due to some fancy microing etc, i was able to get 19 cities by 200 bc. Unfortunately the no tech trading etc has made it very difficult for me to keep up in techs.. Got monarchy at 500bc ish.. But now that i am in rep i am flying.

	11-04-2001 17:28									#24
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Early game was a disaster for me, my land is terrible with mostly deserts.
Got a lot of crap techs from hutts witch set me back on my way to monarchy.
Now I have hordes of legions coming at me. Already lost 3 cities.
But I will come back!

	12-04-2001 03:53									#25
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No one specified a barb level, so I made it raging hordes. You guys can handle it.

I won't comment on the terrain much, since I don't know who knows what about the map (nor who took which Civ). But it *is* about the same for everyone, and it is not mostly desert.

Good luck to all...

	20-04-2001 05:02									#26
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i may be late

	20-04-2001 05:48									#27
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Well, I like raging hordes, those barbs keep you guys who pump out the settlers honest We playing tonite?

	24-04-2001 09:23									#28
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Are we playing tonight?
I would b able to play tomorrow due to familly visiting.

	23-04-2001 23:08									#29
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I think we are palying tonight...I will be onloine by 6:45 pm PST.

	01-05-2001 17:11									#30
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We played too late last night, I need some rest tonight. I can play at the end of the week though.