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Yes, it has finally occured. Go read it yourself. http://forums.civfanatics.com/Forum3/HTML/000271.html
Someone tried to frame me for cheating, not very well. What's funny is it was a honorable cifanatic who did the doctoring. 2 civfanatics to be exact. So go on over and tell your fellow civers how honorable and what a great place civfanatics is. So nice to play with honest players.
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GNGSpam
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Wiggins, MS, US
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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Why would anyone cheat at Civ2? Winning is so completely inconsquential
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TheShrew and Tact. You know, the two you openly supported! HAHHAHAA!! How amusing. I think the only moderator on there with any sense is Smash, I'm not sure why he wastes his time on civfanatics. From what I've seen he could be a pretty skill player, hardly fitting for him to be on a beginner's site.
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Hands up those who think Eyes is a few soldiers short of a platoon?
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Could someone go into detail on cheating? Is it like saving a game, open cheat mode look around and continue the saved mode?
McM
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Smash youd idn't look at the saves properly. It shows me having 2 size 1 cities at 2950BC with no units. 3900BC it shows me having 4 units, an archer nearly completed and both my cities are size 2. Trust me, that explanation I gave fits it perfectly and the guy already admitted to editing the saves to make it look like I cheated.
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This is what I wrote on civfanatics, it got closed down for some reason...
Recently today The Shrew and Tact found files of me cheating. ALl this can be found on the other thread. I have evidence though that either the Shrew or Tact, or both of them, doctored the save to make it look like I cheated.
1. How it works
About 4 years ago, when there was only classic civ, a programmer identified the hex code that turned off the cheat flag (the Red message that says "CHEAT MODE" . By using this simple program you can remove the cheat flag thus you are able to cheat without evidence. However, this was designed for .sav files, not .net. To do it in civ MPGE first save a multiplayer game. The format is currently in .net. Next go on the main menu and load the game as a .sav file. Now you can enable the cheat mode. Do all the editing that you want, create units, change gold, change city size, what not. Next, use the program to remove the cheat flag. Whola! You have a doctored game without evidence. Now for the finishing touches. Load the game as a multiplayer file and change the production back to 2x2x, save the game again so it is now in .net. Now you understand how the files came to be that are against me.
2. In game cheating
One of the flaws in the logic of my accusers is that they say I did this IN GAME. That means all cheating went on in the game. Besides being blatantly obvious, which only a complete moron would do, units have appeared out of thin air, city sizes increased in 1 turn and production occured that should not. There is NO WAY to do this kind of cheating in game. You can't hex edit it because you are not changing values. That only works for changing gold or something with a specific value. The only way to do this is to enable the cheat mode. Now you might say I probably enabled the cheat mode in the game. HOwever, to do this I would have to located the hex value that turns it on and off. I am not sure this is even possible, I have never heard of it. A serious flaw in their logic born of ignorance.
3. Evidence of doctoring
No matter what you do, you're going to leave something behind. In this case alot was left behind. Load the files in question as .sav. The first thing you should notice is that it goes straight to the Germans, you don't get a chance to choose your civ. This is because the cheat mode had already once been enabled and when you save it again as .sav the computer automatically sets the civ you are as the default player. The next evidence is the fact that all the units are on the "go" command. THat means that the computer had a chance to move them and the AI took over. Next is the killer. When you start the game as .net (or a multiplayer game), when you first start it comes up saying "The germans of knowledge of warriorcode, horsebackriding, roads, etc." THAT NEVER HAPPENS IN AN MP GAME UNLESS IT'S BEEN TAMPERED WITH IN THIS FASHION!!! Try it yourself and run a few experiemtns and you will see. Next is the fact that they didn't change the movement and production back to 2x2x, instead it's still on 1x1x production!!! Exactly as I explained up there!!!
NOW WHICH ONE OF YOU DID IT? WAS IT BOTH OF YOU OR WAS IT JUST TACT OR WAS IT JUST YOU SHREW?
Rasputin, the way you change city size is not by actually using a city size number. To do it you have to input the amount of grain you gain each turn. Then change that number to say 100 or something, that will make you grow one per turn. However, in order to do that you need about 3 turns so a hex program can locate the changing code. I did all this cheating in just 2 turns according to the saves. It's impossible. You have to have the cheat mode enabled to do it. It's all explained.
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Your point would be better taken if you didn't so completely know the ins and out of cheating, Eyes.
Random thoughts.
I myself purposely have avoided reading about bugs and that,
and I'm sure not going to sit down and do a statistical analysis on every little aspect.
In the long run all the theories on milking a grain extra isn't going to matter much when your troops are unprepared for battle.
I don't:
like duels, they're b.s.
care much for diplo games either, b.s. for the opposite reason.
like excessive use of diplomats, which I think III will fix.
care much for strategic alliance with the masses.
believe most people when they offer peace treaty.
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"Your point would be better taken if you didn't so completely know the ins and out of cheating, Eyes."
Yes, and you should appreciate that fact Sloww since most of what you know about cheating and bugs comes from me. Who do you think Kwang turned to when he had disputes of cheating? He sent the files to me and asked me to decide whether the guy cheated or not. Bet you didn't know that did you? Who do you think half the gameleaguers went to when they were being accused of cheating? They went straight to me. So in actuality sloww, you should be thanking me.
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One more thing, if I didn't know the ins and outs of cheating, I would not have been able to prove my innocence. This is not the first time something like this has happened. Also, think about how many people I have caught cheating. Think about all this next time you say you don't want to know how to cheat, or that my knowing is bad, knowledge of it is the best defense against it.
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-16-2001 07:51 PM</font>
Check this out 
http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum1/HTML/002023.html?0
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Yes. And I responded to that.
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All I'm saying is I don't learn the bugs. I don't analyze to th Nth degree.
And I hold my own and have never been accused of cheating.
That's all I'm saying.
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Tuatha De Danann Tribe
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Hold your own? Sloww....you had 3 cities against me last game and I didn't even attack you at all. Lets face it, you never get accused of cheating because if you did cheat you'd have to be the worst cheater to ever live.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:12
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I nominate Eyes for the Miss Congeniality Award.
Any seconds.
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GNGSpam
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Wiggins, MS, US
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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Why is everyone saying The Shrew is so great because he fessed up? He is still scum for trying to frame someone in the first place. I dont care if he fessed up, I sure as hell wouldnt play him, afterall, who might he try to frame next? And would he fess up if it didnt look like he was going to get caught anyways?
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<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src=/forums/"/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by EyesOfNight on 05-17-2001 02:30 PM</font>
Hold your own? Sloww....you had 3 cities against me last game and I didn't even attack you at all. Lets face it, you never get accused of cheating because if you did cheat you'd have to be the worst cheater to ever live.
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You mis-speak, again.
No, I take it back. You lie, again.
You quit when your attacks on my units failed.
You SAID I was beat. You had Hanging Gardens, and you quit.
1750 B.C., losing battles, and you quit.
So you're a liar.
You're the most split personality deviate I know.
Congrats. At least you're truly number 1 in something. 
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Tuatha De Danann Tribe
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by SlowwHand (edited May 17, 2001).]</font>
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ummmmm....sloww, I quit because you were boring the hell out of me and because others wanted the internet. Sorry, but I'm not going to waste my time on a game where you only have 3 cities and I have about 30. I really see no point in building 60 knights so I can go destroy all 3 cities. What would I gain from beating you? Absolutely nothing. There was nothing on the game to spice it up and therefore it would be a waste of my time to continue it.
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You are so totally self centered. You could have agreed on quiting, or you could have put deeds with your words and crushed Sloww with your army.
If somebody does you wrong, you tear down heaven and hell to get your appology and here youprove you yourself don't have the decency to correctly finish a game.
I don't know you, and I think I'll keep it that way.
McM
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At least you're consistent Eyes.
Habitual liar.
Not one battle won by your great Civ, but yes you were winning.
It's called delusions of grandeur, and you and strat are both eaten up with it. 
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:12
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Eyes: my challenge still stands from the other thread. 50$, me and you, deity level, random map and size, 2x1x or 1x1x. Are you gonna duck me again.
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16-05-2001 06:53
Sean has been caught and named before so it could not be a warning as everyone already knows to watch him closely.
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