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warren,mi,usa
Aug 2000
time: 05:12
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Ill take that challenge with Zylka as my partner.
Of course you realize, that I'll save every turn and disect what your strategy is. so it will only be a one time thing cause quite frankly, anything you do, I can anaylize and duplicate and quite possibly improve on this so called unbeatable strategy.
And if anyone is going to be able to beat you, it will be of course the 8 time game league champion. (for all you people that have no life and post here and have not had the honor of being crushed by me, that would be me)
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I propose a "Mouth Off" competition.
Contestants seem to be gathering in force now. 
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"It's In The Way That You Use It."
Tuatha De Danann Tribe
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Hopefully III will adjust some of the weak points and bugs.
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Tuatha De Danann Tribe
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GNGSpam
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Wiggins, MS, US
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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Wow that sounds like a whole lotta fun
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Yep, the way we get the techs and stuff is Markus's strategy. We then combined that with my expansion to create the perfect game. A game where we can expand at mach speeds while at the same time make enormous cities with mega trade routes.
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markusf
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by EyesOfNight on 05-16-2001 02:36 PM</font>
Yep, the way we get the techs and stuff is Markus's strategy. We then combined that with my expansion to create the perfect game. A game where we can expand at mach speeds while at the same time make enormous cities with mega trade routes.
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Well not really, you still expand at the same speed as normal. 20 cities by 2000 bc on average is the goal. The problem is i always get bored of clicking though so many build screens waiting for my turn, i get frustrated and just stop building more cities. How fast you can get to be a huge empire, depends solely on the map. As you need to balance trade/science/expansion/improvements very closely. This is strictly 2x. 1x is a whole nother ball game that i have down very pat. Last 7 player i was in. 8 wonders by 1ad and 25 cities diety raging hordes, all other players combined had 4 wonders... diety carnide zylka agartha hydy and some others where in it.
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I'm not impressed markus. You named off maybe one player that has any skill and he's average at best. 2x is far harder than 1x. As for the map, premade maps take care of that aspect. And what do you mean so many build screens? Have you ever heard of autobuild? It takes me about 20 sec to go through all my cities. THe only time it starts to get annoying is when I get 100+ cities.
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GNGSpam
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Wiggins, MS, US
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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2x is much harder then 1x? Thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.
2x is DIFFRENT then 1x. They are virtually entirely diffrent types of games with diffrent styles of play.
Get your head out of your own arse
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by EyesOfNight on 05-16-2001 05:28 PM</font>
I'm not impressed markus. You named off maybe one player that has any skill and he's average at best. 2x is far harder than 1x. As for the map, premade maps take care of that aspect. And what do you mean so many build screens? Have you ever heard of autobuild? It takes me about 20 sec to go through all my cities. THe only time it starts to get annoying is when I get 100+ cities.
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Pass the info about moving on to Strat, will you?
Point and click, go to city.
Definitely needs help.
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Tuatha De Danann Tribe
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markusf
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by EyesOfNight on 05-16-2001 05:28 PM</font>
2x is far harder than 1x. As for the map, premade maps take care of that aspect. And what do you mean so many build screens? Have you ever heard of autobuild? It takes me about 20 sec to go through all my cities. THe only time it starts to get annoying is when I get 100+ cities.
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1x is way harder when you have more then 3 players in a game(you can't dispute this). in 2x if you have a good start you can REALLY pull ahead, and your terrain doesn't matter was much for building etc. huts aren't going to totally screw your tech path. And if you find another play really early you can hurt them fast. 1x keeps everyone pretty much on even ground until the first 7 or 8 cities are built and everyone has monarchy.
autobuild is next to useless, even with the customized autobuild file. What i am talking about is rush buying improvements in 20 cities every couple of turns. just flipping through the screens at the start of every turn and picking what to build next is time consuming (the whole point is to optimize cash or science) Add onto that moving around 20 settlars to build roads irrigate, and then if you have a army, ships etc. It gets very time consuming and the game grinds to a halt. Tribe games are a good example, we play for 4 hours and don't get past 2800 bc. It becomes very fustrating.
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markusf
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slowhand i do all city management from the F1 and F4 screens
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GNGSpam
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Wiggins, MS, US
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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Nethier is more tough because you are playing another person with the same advantages/disadvantages.
Logically speaking, both are incredibly diffrent, but from a competition perspective, the same.
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Tribe games do not have to take excessive time.
They're no different than any other game.
You can run across a pokey ass player either way, and that's what does it.
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Markus you can never prove one is harder than the other. The fact is I have beaten you on both settings and I find 2x2x harder to master than 1x1x. You said it yourself, you have to do everything at once. On 1x1x you have time to build and get situated. And I go through and rush buy improvements too markus, the difference is I can focus on the first 20 cities and let the other 70 go to **** until I get finished. You on the other hand must have everything perfect, a weakness as I see it.
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You're in a class of 1 if you can say that 2x is more difficult than 1x.
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The only reason I do is to irritate Eyes.
He lives to write monumental amounts of rhetoric, and being a friend I try to help.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:12
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Eyes: I'm shocked you are even in this forum. The last time I asked you to play on "the zone" you gave me some bull**** that you didn't play newbies. When I said I was reasonably experienced you said only beginners play deity and that I would fit in good with "the *******s at Apolyton" When I said I came here quite often and thought that many players here were good players - you told me "you played everyone over here and set them all straight and that I should ask them". (I even considered a posting a thread on the subject)
Now let me understand your challenge - you make a map, you pick a partner, you pick the level (although last time we spoke you scolded me for using the word level to describe deity vs king), you pick the production level, you pick the movement level, you come up with the game rules, hmmm.... I HOPE YOU WOULD WIN.
I repeat the challenge I made to you before: (which instead of accepting you called me and other players names and avoided the game) ANY SIZE RANDOM MAP (notice my flexibility), deity level, 2x1x or 1x1x (again flexible), we can agree on games rules (flexible again). I'm ready anytime you are. By the way - I'm willing to bet $50 I beat you. Now I'm sure you will have some brilliant reason not to accept this like:
a) It's a waste of your time
b) I'm not good enough to be honored to play against you
c) only lousy players play deity
or
d) perhaps just a bunch of rude remarks and obscenities that in no way address the question.
I anxiously await your response.
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I'm sorry, I had no idea your native language was Mandarin. WOuld you understand better if I spoke in chinese or is there another obscure language you speak? Obviously English is not your native language or you would have noticed that I said ALL settings can be played except deity. The use of a premade map comes from my experience over the past 2 years in team games. Meeting each other early on is a huge advantage and if your partner is on an island the game is basically lost. Deity is nothing more than an equalizer for lesser players. The incredible amount of restrictions it puts on everything bogs the game down to a ridiculously slow pace. The amount of factors that influence your ability to pull ahead of others is diminished drastically. King level opens up the game more for different strategies. You don't absolutely have to go monarchy or go republic to win. You don't need happy wonders if you don't want them. As for you Rah, I would love it if you proved my assesment wrong. However, sadly it would seem that I am right and I will always be right.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:12
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-18-2001 12:18 PM</font>
why don't you just come out and say that Deity doesn't fit your predetermined strategy of success. Deity forces you to build a civ instead of just cranking out settlers and horses until you are blue in the face.
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Ming, you summed it up perfectly.
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 05-18-2001 12:18 PM</font>
ROTFLMAO... why don't you just come out and say that Deity doesn't fit your predetermined strategy of success. (Oh, and I'm not disputing that you are probably the best civ player around when I say that...) You claim it gives you more options of strategies, but what it really does is allow you to ICS... something that is more difficult at Deity. And I have no problem with that, but don't even attempt to call it an equalizer for lesser players as if those that play at deity are all inferior
Deity forces you to build a civ instead of just cranking out settlers and horses until you are blue in the face.
Now that's boring
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Eyes is far from the best, unless you're talking best at 2x small world, kamikaze style of play. He may not even be the best at that.
He hasn't the patience or skill to play an extended game.
If you can thwart is initial attempt to overrun you with early discovery, he's on the ropes.
You have it correct in that he spews out horses and settlers, and does so with little regard for any other aspect of the game.
The only major item other than knowledge of bugs in the game, is his ability to intimidate many new players. Highlight new.
I never play him without the expectation that he'll either do something underhanded, or leave quickly.
That's the way he is.
You just have to realize that's how he is, and move on.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:12
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by rah on 05-18-2001 01:55 PM</font>
DD, just because he doesn't respond, doesn't diminish his skills.
I am not knocking your skills btw, Just appreciating his.
RAH
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Ahh, but he does respond - he just doesn't accept the challenge.
This will be my last post on this subject because it really isn't my style to get in an argument about who's better or any of that (especially when we have never played). My only point is this I read his crap all the time in here and other places. I've offered to play him on numerous occasions. He refuses - "no time, deity sucks, I'm beneath him, etc.etc.etc" He claims to be the best (something I have never claimed). So let's play. Like all endeavors in life, you prove your worth by performance not insults. He may beat me - he may not. There's only one way to find out. I offered a little wager, so it would be worth his time. (One of his favorite excuses seems to be it isn't worth his time). I'm available weeknights and weekends. I'm always in the Zone and I read this and civfanatics forum daily. So there it is. I've offered, he knows where to find me. The balls in his court. Why not just beat me.
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