17-01-2001 08:12									#1
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Hey all,

I've had civ2 for countless years (no, I can't count that well), and I knew all along it was an instant moneymaker for Sid. My friend told me the other day, to my horror, that civ2 didn't sell well for everyone's favorite OS. So, my question is - did civ2 sell well for the mac? If it didn't we'll have to cross our fingers hard for civ3, won't we?

	17-01-2001 08:26									#2
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Hmmm. That's the kind of question that MarkG and DanQ would probably know the answer to. They're always posting sales and ranking info. I don't know if I've ever seen anything on Mac sales. Whatever the numbers are, they would have to in the context of the Mac market. Half a million copies in the Windos world would be nothing, but in the Mac world....

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	18-01-2001 03:32									#3
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Of all people being pessimistic about apple, it's MacUser ?

Gosh I hope civ3 gets ported. Westlake, you listening?

	19-01-2001 03:08									#5
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Ahh, but MacUser, you must admit that base has potential...

Right now no one really wants to buy a computer. They all have their iMacs or their pentium 3's. They aren't interested in a cube or a pentium 4. But in a few years, there will be another massive sale of computers, and who knows who'll be on top? If it's constantly apple, twelve years from now the numbers won't be handicapped.

The thing that has me worried is there are only a few porting companies (westlake) and publishers (aspyr, macsoft) doing all the work. WL had to take on The Sims, Alpha Centauri, Madden, Tomb Raider, and all the big name franchises. Without them Mac gaming would be down the toilet. Looks like we have to wait for apple to make another imac success and convince more people to port.

My sad question remains: do you think they'll be a civ3 mac?

	19-01-2001 06:25									#6
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It'll depend on pc sales and sales demographics.Also,sales of current MAC games will be a factor.
Will a profit be made?
Basically,if it is good-most likely.If it stinks-we don't want it anyway.

Then there is the difficulty of tech support.A mac version will have all pc fixes included but there will be mac bugs.This cuts into profit.We were lucky with MGE that there was guy that approached his feild with great professionalism and worked out patches more or less on his own(Nesse).

Its impossible to say right now.

	19-01-2001 07:53									#7
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One other major factor is OS X! With the popularity of Linux, there are a lot of people writing UNIX code. Thus there will be applications ported between traditional UNIX platforms and OS X. I've heard that writing for UNIX is much easier that either Windows or the classic Mac OS. If a developer writes for Linux and OS X he'll get two for the work of one!

I expect that this spring, when Apple starts selling computers loaded with OS X, there will be a buying frenzy!

And a comment about the Mac installed base: one of the things that killed betamax was that there was never an installed base to make it viable to fend off competion. Apple has not only a current base but a multitude of MS-haters! Just wait until PC users have to deal with MS new anti-piracy software! There will be a loud cry and knashing of teeth; teeth that might bite into an Apple!

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	19-01-2001 08:19									#8
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Now you're in the right mood, MacUser!

**crosses fingers for civ3**

	30-01-2001 06:06									#9
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Apparently even Microsoft seems to think there's a future for Apple: they released the Mac version of Office Suit 2001 three months before the PC on... sign of the times?