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Baston
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Woking, Surrey, UK
Jan 2000
time: 05:14
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I got the same e-mail -- maps work fine on mine -- but only as saved files / sceanrios.
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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First of all, I want to say thanks to Baston and TheThirdJesus for their help so far on this matter.
Second, could I get any Mac users to work with me on this?
If anybody tries this, could you tell me what happens when
a) you try to load the .sav saved files via the Load saved game option and
b) try to import the .inp import file via the Cheat Menu /importmap option.
Any information on what happens, doesn't happen, error messages, etc., would be appreciated. I would like to make this available to Mac users.
Don Blevens
CtPMaps
Update: Baston, it looks like our forum posts crossed. Were you able to load the saved maps, the same as any other saved game? I want to add Mac instructions if they are different than the PC instructions.
[This message has been edited by skorpion59 (edited March 10, 2000).]
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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baston: I'm betting it's the file type thing, since you've already ran into those problems and fixed them is why you can use the saved maps. I'm gonna do some resediting and see if that works for me.
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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I just got the .sav file to load, it's completely barren though, no goods/rivers/civs; is this normal or did something mess up? I tryed planetX by the way.
I didn't get any error messages, or anything else nasty.
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[This message has been edited by TheThirdJesus (edited March 10, 2000).]
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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TheThirdJesus,
Yes, that is normal. I had to check the file to be sure. That is a development map. It is used as a basis for someone to build their own custom map or for me to build a custom map for them. That way I can set the number of Civs they want to use, the amount of trade items & goddy huts, etc. When I have the Mac problem figured out, I will start putting the custom maps out.
Did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
Also, does the Mac CtP use the same standard map sizes of 24x48, 48x96, 64x128 & 70x140?
And can you change the number of Civs to more than 8?
One note on the .inp files. On the PC side, the file HAS to be in the same directory as the executable for it to be imported thru the Chat Window by using /importmap mapname.inp.
Don
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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baston, you're totaly right about everything else, but the pc map sizes are the same as the mac map sizes. I ripped this out of the default const.txt
MAP_SIZE_SMALL 24 48 2
MAP_SIZE_MEDIUM 48 96 2
MAP_SIZE_LARGE 64 128 2
MAP_SIZE_GIGANTIC 70 140 2
As for doing anything special, yes you'll have to use a file typer/resedit/the file exchange control panel to get the .sav files working right (this is a weakness in the installer of civ CTP I think). The more then 8 civs thing works as well.
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[This message has been edited by TheThirdJesus (edited March 10, 2000).]
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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Wow, thanks for the info so far. I have to say I have a newfound respect for Mac users and their problems in a PC world. So much so that I now actively recruit PC ModMakers to only create Mod Install program using Zip files instead of executable files.
Would it be possible to send me the typer/resedit/the files(s) and info on how it works so I could put it and the instructions on my site?
Could you tell me what extension Mac saved games use? Maybe if I used that, it would work without using the typer/resedit/the program.
Also, Baston, could you send me a zipped copy of your map so I can see if PC users can open and use a Mac altered/created map?
The PlanetX map is a non-standard CtP size so CtP would have to be altered to load it through the Chat window. Could you try the Wld1-70x140R .inp file. Put it in the same directory as the executable (I hope that is how it works on Mac). Start a new game on a Gigantic map, open the Chat window, type /importmap Wld1-70x140R.inp and let me know what happens.
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Don,
Apolyton CtPMaps
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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Can anybody tell me what version of Resedit you use? I think I found a V3.0 but most info I find pertains to V2.1.?. Since I don't have a Mac, there is no way for me to tell.
Is Resedit where you do something like the following (which I saw in another thread). If so, what are the parameters?
PC Extension = CSG
Application = Civilisation-Call to Power
File Type = CTPg
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Don,
Apolyton CtPMaps
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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skorpion: I'm kind of in a rush right now, so I can't write a detailed response, but resedit shouldn't be needed, I'll get back to you tommorow.
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[This message has been edited by TheThirdJesus (edited March 12, 2000).]
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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Sorry, didn't mean to rush you. I figured you guys thought I could understand from the threads here. When, I actually have no idea what you guys are talking about.
File exchange options, file typers, resedit, resource forks, all are Greek to me.
What about CtP patches? Are you doing this with the CtP v1.2b Mac Patch?
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Don,
Apolyton CtPMaps
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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TheThirdJesus,
Thanks for all your help and taking the time to figure this out. It is much appreciated and exactly what I needed.
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Don,
Apolyton CtPMaps
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Caranorn on 03-19-2000 05:42 PM
TheThirdJesus I can't really agree with your recommendation to set the PC file extension .sav for CTP in the file exchange control panel. I believe various other PC/Mac cames use that extension. So if a player following your instructions has two games (Civ2 Gold and CTP for instance) and sets .sav for CTP, any Civ2 files he/she decompresses will end up in a CTP format. I would recommend using ResEdit and manually change the file settings to type: CTPg and creator: CTP1. Or at least include a warning that all files with the PC extension .sav will be linked to CTP henceforth if you change the file exchange CP.
To another question, I use ResEdit 2.1.1, no idea whether a newer version exists.
If you reset the file identity either of these ways, the .sav files of the maps will load in CTP.
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Yes but resedit is a very un-userfriendly app, using the file exchange control panel is the easiest way for new users to do it.
I have yet to see a problem with this myself, and I have many games installed and play commonly (quake 3, starcraft, civ II, etc). I found no file mapping for .sav when I mapped it to civ:CTP, so I doubt any other mac game wll be messed up by this.
If you can show me that this is an issue, I'm sure the instructions can be changed.
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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Actually, if .sav turns out to be a problem, I can change that on my end. I played around with this and the extension can be pretty much whatever you set it for, as well as no extension at all.
If the MAC CtP program already has an extension for saved games, it could be changed to that and then no modifications would be necessary.
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Don,
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Caranorn
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Luxembourg, Europe
Mar 2000
time: 06:14
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Skorpion59:
Don't change anything about the PC extension, it really makes little difference for the Mac. Until recently, .??? had no effect whatsoever on how the Macintosh recognised a file's origins. Now, we can set our Macs to recognise the extension and create the Mac equivalent for the file. My point is, that if I recall correctly, several PC games use the PC extension .sav. I'm not sure how that is handled in Win95-98 and 2000. I know how identical extensions would be handled on the Mac, creating some problems. That's why I'd recommend people set the files manually after they download them. Honestly, ResEdit is an application any Mac user should be able to use. Directions to do what I recommend are quite simple.
1) Double Click on ResEdit
2) you will most likely be prompted to open or create a file at that point, click on cancel instead
3) Go to the File menu and chose Get File/Folder Info
4) select the file you want to modify (?.sav)
5) change Type: from TEXT to CTPg
6) change Creator: from ttxt to CTP1
7)Go to the File menu and chose Close
8) when prompted to save before closing click yes
Yes, you will have to do that for every PC saved game or map file. But this way there is no risk of conflict with other games. Of course if you only run one cross platform game on your Mac, you might as well modify the FileExchange control panel.
TheThirdJesus:
As to what games use the PC extension .sav: America Invades; Crusader; Stalingrad; Allied General; Panzer General; Colonization; and Transarctica. The second to last game I expect can be considered out of date and barely anyone would have it on their machine anymore. The last game is probably unknown to most people.As a whole, the .sav PC extension is a common extension used by various games, including cross platform games. I'm not usre of Civ2, which I cited previously, I don't have my PC version of that game with me in the US. The best way to check would probably to have PC players check their system for files with the .sav extension and what programs they are associated with.
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Caranorn
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Luxembourg, Europe
Mar 2000
time: 06:14
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Skorpion59:
Don't change anything about the PC extension, it really makes little difference for the Mac. Until recently, .??? had no effect whatsoever on how the Macintosh recognised a file's origins. Now, we can set our Macs to recognise the extension and create the Mac equivalent for the file. My point is, that if I recall correctly, several PC games use the PC extension .sav. I'm not sure how that is handled in Win95-98 and 2000. I know how identical extensions would be handled on the Mac, creating some problems. That's why I'd recommend people set the files manually after they download them. Honestly, ResEdit is an application any Mac user should be able to use. Directions to do what I recommend are quite simple.
1) Double Click on ResEdit
2) you will most likely be prompted to open or create a file at that point, click on cancel instead
3) Go to the File menu and chose Get File/Folder Info
4) select the file you want to modify (?.sav)
5) change Type: from TEXT to CTPg
6) change Creator: from ttxt to CTP1
7)Go to the File menu and chose Close
8) when prompted to save before closing click yes
Yes, you will have to do that for every PC saved game or map file. But this way there is no risk of conflict with other games. Of course if you only run one cross platform game on your Mac, you might as well modify the FileExchange control panel.
TheThirdJesus:
As to what games use the PC extension .sav: America Invades; Crusader; Stalingrad; Allied General; Panzer General; Colonization; and Transarctica. The second to last game I expect can be considered out of date and barely anyone would have it on their machine anymore. The last game is probably unknown to most people.As a whole, the .sav PC extension is a common extension used by various games, including cross platform games. I'm not usre of Civ2, which I cited previously, I don't have my PC version of that game with me in the US. The best way to check would probably to have PC players check their system for files with the .sav extension and what programs they are associated with.
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Caranorn
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Luxembourg, Europe
Mar 2000
time: 06:14
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Agreed with both Ashman and TheThirdJesus, a drag and drop program to change the file type would be easiest and best. If it's freeware, maybe upload it to Apolyton and then put a note about the use of that application in the readme file for the maps.
Yep TheThirdJesus, those are older games, but I'm sure I'm not the only mac wargamer to still have them either on my hardisk or on a z swapable mount for fast access. Unfortunatelly we've not had a decent wargame since (some would name CC, but I hate the devil too much to pay for something I'm not 100% certain I'd like. And yes, this probably means that there is no problem with the file types either, as PC gamers will have discarded those games long ago, so it's unlikely to get saved games from them anymore. On the other hand, I'm quite certain that Civ2 uses the .sav format and it's still widely used on PC's and Macs, including multiplayer crossplatform games.
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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If this drag-n-drop file typer works and is freeware, could somebody zip it up and email me a copy so I can post it?
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Don,
CtPMaps at Apolyton
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TheThirdJesus
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LA, CA, USA
Feb 2000
time: 05:14
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ash hasn't sent it to me yet, but I'm sure it's freeware... I'll get it over to you ASAP
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skorpion59
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
May 1999
time: 23:14
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Ash,
I got the file, thanks.
One question, do you just put it in a directory and drag the .sav files onto it or do you have to do some kind of install with it?
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Don,
CtPMaps at Apolyton
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