07-08-2000 03:25									#61
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dont give up yet
i just objected a part of your post...

	07-08-2000 12:14									#63
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I want scenario support.
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--Single most important thing.

I want a map editor.

I want a macro language that is easier to understand. (preferably an editor to boot)

I want graphics that can be changed easily.

I want root files that can be modified using non-proprietary technology (IE .txt and .bmp files for game files).

I want a game that doesn't arrive six months too early.

I want a better interface that doesn't require 4-10 clicks more than necessary.

I want a game that draws me in and keeps me occupied

I want to go to sleep... cya later...

	07-08-2000 19:28									#66
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Grumbold: I wouldn't advocate using Test of Time graphics in Civ3 like I wouldn't advocate using CtP graphics in CtP2.

	08-08-2000 03:08									#68
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Since my name is being mentioned here in connection with graphics, I want to speak for myself. True, its technically possible to edit graphics in CTP1 (though painfully, not terrain ones), but that's a far cry from it being easy. I found it an intensely frustrating experience and hope it becomes easier too.

By the way, glad to see that finally DarthVeda is making specific criticisms and recommendations, and hope thats a new trend. I agree wholeheartedly with them all though I also agree with Markos that one can see from the info released so far that many or most of them are being addressed.

	23-08-2000 22:22									#70
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C'mon Darth, you admitted the CtP graphics were ahead of their time... Now, two years on, they're still quite good - at least as good as many new games. There are better things for Activision to spend its time on.

I do have to agree with Darth though - make the graphics files easy to mod. Of course, 3d sprites will have to be more complex than the little 2d icons in Civ2 - but but much of the graphics seemed to be needlessly obscure or difficult to modify.
Without the ability to easily change graphics, the mod community is limited to a small core of active and highly skilled mod-makers. Less focused hobbyers or less graphics-literate types (I would count myself in that group) are left out...

	24-08-2000 08:51									#71
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I agree with Darth here too...but it could be worse: they could be 3D models, then we'd all have to learn 3D Studio or something
Still, if they included more tools which would not make it so esoteric to modify, well, then I'd think it would really pay off and get more people invloved--including myself, as far as graphics go...still don't know how to make a damn sprite...and before, I didn't have PhotoShop and the old program could not attach an alpha channel, so....Yeah, I agree here too.

	24-08-2000 20:08									#72
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To go off on another bit of a tangent here... how do people feel about Activisions plans to ditch space?

I mean yeah ok I see they think they bit off more than they could chew with it but why?

I always thought it was pretty cool and now it's going to disappear? That's a shame IMHO. Mind you I don't get to it often... I find it dull to continue playing when the second place Civ is so far behind...

Chris

	25-08-2000 04:40									#73
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I'm not sure how good space really was. The real shame, I believe is the lack of different altitude layers, which space was 'kinda'. This is one of the last obstacles to really cool tactical play in the civ genre, and if CtP2 had included it, it would have made for a fantastic versatility in many scenarios.

Maybe it will be in CtP2, but I'm guessing they would have said by now.

Oh well, perhaps CtP3 or Civ3.

Regarding the boring end game after being ahead, I'd suggest you read (among others) the 'root of evil' threads in this forum. Many people have contributed their ideas to stemming some of the 'once-you're-ahead' balance problems that are symptomatic among Civ games.

	25-08-2000 09:49									#74
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Limey, Gedrin is right, Mr. Ogre has said that the space layer is gone. I was unimpressed by space cities, but using the layer tactically was a bunch of fun. It made finding that last city that was hiding much easier. I'm very unhappy that it won't be in CTP2. In fact, I started a thread some time back called "the missing frontier" or something like that if you want to search on it.

I'd like to see 7 or 9 layers in CTP3 (I know it's not happening in 2) so we could have 3 or 4 layers of undersea and 3 or 4 levels of atmosphere in addition to the ground layer. I'd also like to see technologies that allow subterranean tunnels/cities. And of course, the space layer returned.....

	26-08-2000 05:19									#75
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why 7 or 9 when you could just as easily have 31? Particularly since we're talking about CtP3 here. You could enable and name as many layers as you needed for a scenario, etc...

BTW... you misunderstood when I was saying I wasn't sure about how good Space was in CtP1. The space layer for movement purposes was great. The idea of space cities was flawed, especially considering they ran out of 'realistic' science ideas after genetics.

What ended up being best about space was the movement and uncontested bombardment abilities that some units had. If you have extra altitude layers, you can have the same versatility.