20-10-2000 19:42									#1
	farms yet not close to water? Support Apolyton

Just wondering: I noticed on GameSpy's 5 new screens (the one with Romans) that basic farms were placed 2 tiles away from water. Traditionally I thought you had to place'em on or next to water first, before expanding into 'dryer' territory?

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Johnny

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	20-10-2000 20:51									#2
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It looks to me as if the city (Pompeii) is on the bend of the river, so I think that makes it ok to put the farm where it is.

	20-10-2000 22:14									#4
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Hi John,

In CTP, unlike Civ2, you can put a farm diagonal of a water source too, not just to the left, right, up, or down. In the screen shot you reference, the farm is diagonal of the river bend Pompeii is on.

Timothy Pintello

	21-10-2000 16:30									#5
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Perhaps you should be able to build farms when they are not adjacebt to water. You could be able to get water from a spring or some sort of well.
Perhaps it should cost more to build?

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	22-10-2000 19:07									#6
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hello,

Building farms a few tiles from a source of surface water should be possible, espescially if this is grassland and so on. As a Dutch student in civil engineering I must reject this policy of building farms in civ games!

Groundwater would make an excellent source of water!
Perhabs it should only be possible to build farms away from sources of surface water, if electricity, or combustion (those kinds of inventions) has been invented, so it is possible to pump up the ground water.

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Bartemans
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	23-10-2000 14:00									#7
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How about an improvement in a city such as rain water holders or a tile improvement such as a well allowing you to build farms nearby.

	24-10-2000 00:30									#8
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Madwoodster,

AGREE!!! However, not before some environmental inventions come up. A good invention would be conservation (or the CTPII equivalent).

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Bartemans
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	24-10-2000 03:17									#9
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Wouldn't it be simplest to restrict basic farms to near river/coastal squares, and allow advanced farms to be placed on any grassland square, as well as river/coastals?

	24-10-2000 23:57									#11
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Hello,

I do not really like the idea of fighting for good land, although it's more real and it could be more fun.

I think the new city growth system, where the terrain grows with the city, is good enough for this. Fast growth means more territory.

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Bye,

Bartemans
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	26-10-2000 09:24									#13
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Why not have irrgation as a tech. When discover, you could build farms wherever you wanted them. If not a tect., then it could be a improvement in each city. The Central Valley of California has canel everwhere to irrigate the land. We do know that even the early Egyption use irrigation to irrigate land some distance from the Nile. Activision could add this even at this late date. Mark or Dan if you are reading this, how about sending it over to them.

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[This message has been edited by Joseph (edited October 25, 2000).]