27-10-2000 00:39									#1
	CTP2 not looking different enough....! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Judging by the screenshots does CTP2 look all that different to the original?

It even seems that there is no "medieval" (castle) city style AGAIN! This really annoys me as around half the civs should use this. I know this is fixed with a patch in the original, but should we pay for a second game we only have to patch up again?

And some units look exactly the same as the original too.

Surely the whole point of a sequal is to change it!

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	27-10-2000 03:29									#3
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Of course the point is to play better, but it would be nice for them to supply new graphics as well.

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	27-10-2000 13:49									#6
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I'm with you, Mark. I wish people would get over the graphics thing. It's tiring.

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	28-10-2000 09:37									#7
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Two things. One, I'm getting sick of hearing about people complaining how CTP2 won't be "different" enough from CTP1. Two, red_jon, if you don't like the graphics that much, then change them yourself.

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	31-10-2000 02:24									#8
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The main thing that annoys me is that the city styles are the same- i.e with the absence of a medieval city style (like the un-modified CTP1).

Sure we can change the graphics ourselves/ download patches and generally DO ACTIVISIONS WORK FOR THEM- they're producing the game, it shouldn't be up to anyone outside Activision to have to modify it to improve it.

Don't get me wrong, I am eagerly awaiting the realease of CTP2, the lack of visual change in many units/ cities just dissapointed me a bit.

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	31-10-2000 06:05									#9
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Activisions works very hard for a good gameplay and you are dissapointet, because there some same graphics from CTP? Brrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuu.......


Make it better and then we see....

	31-10-2000 09:49									#10
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I don't get you all. If you wan't good game play, and not concerned with graphics, then why stray away from the original Civ's, or even Alpha Centauri?
Good graphics is the only card Activision has to play.

Bkeela.

	31-10-2000 12:26									#12
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ok, this is the time where we start to explain to darth why the sea is blue and the sun is shining....

darth, are you living in a different world where civers are like fps fans? well, in this world, civers have always cared about gameplay first. look at the last civ3 poll:
AI: 33%
Customisability: 12%
Diplomacy: 10%
Graphics Engine (3d): 1%

	31-10-2000 21:37									#13
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hmm....Let me think. CtP.....CtP2.....CtP.....CtP2. Something tells me that this is just about the same. CtP would still have been the same game if all the units had changed looks.
To expect a lot of fancy looking things in CtP2 would be like expecting Luke to have a light saber in all the rainbow colors in Star Wars V.
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW COOL THAT WOULD BE

	01-11-2000 05:54									#14
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Let's once and for all explain to Darth why we don't care about improved graphics as much as other things.

Because by not wasting time redesigning the graphics, the Activision team can devote more time to something important, like the AI.

Let's face it - what makes me want to play CTP over and over? It ain't the "cool" looking Stealth Bomber, it's the AI that tries to beat me.

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	02-11-2000 03:21									#15
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But the graphics do affect the game if they horribly slow doen the game (like the future ages in CTP1).

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	02-11-2000 03:35									#16
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You're right - graphics do matter if they slow down the game. Therefore, I should have said that we don't care about "fancy, snazzy" graphics.

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	02-11-2000 08:26									#17
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well, frankly, i do care about fancy graphics. the graphics in ctp were good enough for me, however. If they were like the ones in civ2, i wouldn't buy the game, obviously, but ctp has fancy enough graphics for me FOR A TURN-BASED GAME. I expect more from an rts, and even more from an rpg. just so you know, paray, tell your teammates this.. shogun:total war will be cheaper than ctp2 come christmas, so its easier to put it on your christmas list. ctp2 had better be damn good if you want me to get it.

	03-11-2000 10:43									#18
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If CTP2 offers no greater variety or challenge than Shogun:Total War then I too won't bother buying it. Since even the original buggy CTP1 managed to exceed that criteria though I have every confidence your fears are unfounded.

	05-11-2000 07:24									#19
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You know Markos, DN 1 and DN 2 are not FPS. They're sidescrollers, like Mario Bros.

Secondly, I bought civ 2 expecting the game to look different even though it carried over a lot of ideas from Civ 1. I didn't expect VGA graphics and square units again...

I tell you for all it's improvements it would have been shelved a lot sooner. I still play civ2 on a regular basis.

What this tells me is that Activision has no skill whatsoever in determining how to evolve the graphics engine (ever heard of friggin hexes?) beyond serving their GUI needs (which they botched AWFULLY in ctp1).

	05-11-2000 11:46									#20
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...Except the only thing wrong with CTP graphics was they were too hard to customise.

They don't need to change them, whereas with Civ to Civ 2 there was plenty of room for improvement. I think it's an unfair comparison.

I think hex would be cool too (here's hoping for it in Civ 3), but that's a gameplay issue, not a graphics issue, so it's also unfair to argue it as such.

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	05-11-2000 18:18									#21
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darth, if you always have a face when you post here, why do you do keep doing it?

	05-11-2000 21:41									#22
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Just because most civers don't care much about graphics doesn't mean everyone should feel the same way.

There is no need to get angry at or ridicule people just because they are hoping for fancier graphics. We are all different, and have different expectations.

As for my own opinion on this matter, yes, I agree improved gameplay is the more important factor, but I do hope that everything will be improved for the sequel, including graphics.