16-11-1999 17:40									#1
	1595 AC landing log file (long) Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

On the "earliest landing with basic settings" thread, I posted about a recent game where I landed on AC in AD 1595. Several people expressed interest in seeing the log file.

A few facts: this is Sten Sture's four-whale save game, available on Paul's OCC web site (thanks, Paul and SS!). I treated my capital as if I were playing OCC, and built lots of other cities with no improvements. I gave techs to the AIs until they were researching something I didn't have, then traded techs when they discovered it. I had repeating trade commodities in my capital, and sent out a bunch of caravans.

Without further ado, here's the log file:

ROMANS
Rome -3950
Antium -3700
Cumae -3100
Neapolis -2700
Pompeii -2250
Pisae -1950
Ravenna -1900
Byzantium -1800
Brundisium -925
Syracusae -925
Palmyra -900
Caesarea -875
Tarentum -875
Nicomedia -675
Seleucia -600
Caesaraugusta -475
Gordion -400
Agrippina -400
Cyrene -375
Tyrus -325
Verona -300
Cora -25
Mediolanum -25
Treveri -25
Sirmium 1
Augustadorum 20
Trapezus 40
Bagacum 120
Lauriacum 180
Teurnia 180
Curia 220
Veii 240
Hispalis 260
Viroconium 320
Lugdunum 460
Lutetia 500
Artaxata 540
Aurelianorum 620
Hippo Regius 660
Londinium 680
Eburacum 680
Narnia 720
Spoletium 720
Capua 740
Venusia 760
Florentia 760
Luna 780
Ariminum 780
Populonia 800
Bononia 820
Parma 820
Sabatia 820
Mutina 820
Cremona 820
Messina 820
Bovillae 860
Tibur 860
Reate 880
Panormus 900
Minervium 900
Buxentum 940
Satyrion 940
Salernum 960
Sipontum 980
Catana 980
Alba Longa 1000
Collatia 1000
Labici 1020
Alsium 1040
Ardea 1040
Vitelia 1060
Sutrium 1060
Nepet 1060
Carsioli 1100
Anagnia 1100
Signia 1120
Norba 1140
Decima 1140
Ficana 1160
Ostia 1160
Setia 1160
Aequum Tuticum 1160
Cosa 1180
Vulci 1180
Sora 1180
Circeii 1200
Interamna 1200
Aesernia 1200
Suessa 1200
Cales 1200
Sinuessa 1220
Beneventum 1240 - Destroyed by Zulus 1420
Hadria 1240
Perusia 1240
Cortona 1240
Camerinum 1240
Arpi 1260
Paestum 1260
Canusium 1260
Thurii 1260
Croton 1280
Locri 1280
Rhegium 1280
Consentia 1280
Barium 1280
Casinium 1300
Ausculum 1300
Ancona 1300
Clusium 1300
Genua 1300
Dertona 1300
Patovium 1300
Altinum 1320
Aquileia 1340
Himera 1340
Ferentinum 1340
Aletrium 1360
Teanum 1380
Nola 1380
Nuceria 1380
Rusellae 1380
Potentia 1400
Herdonia 1400
Grumentum 1420
Petelia 1420
Volaterrae 1440
Telamon 1460
Elea 1530
Manduria 1540

@EGYPTIANS
Thebes 1590
Memphis 1592
Heliopolis 1591
Elephantine 1592

@GREEKS
Athens 1588
Sparta 600
Thermopylae 1589

@INDIANS
Delhi 1584
Bombay 1585

@ZULUS
Zimbabwe 1586
Ulundi 1587

@CHINESE
Beijing 1583
Shanghai 1587?
Canton 1590
Nanking 1590

Pyramids,_______________-400,_Beijing
Hanging_Gardens,________-925,_Rome
Colossus,_______________-725,_Rome
Lighthouse,
Great_Library,
Oracle,
Great_Wall,
Sun_Tzu's_War_Academy,__1300,_Beijing
King_Richard's_Crusade,_360,_Berlin
Marco_Polo's_Embassy,___-1150,_Rome
Michelangelo's_Chapel,
Copernicus'_Observatory,-200,_Rome
Magellan's_Expedition,
Shakespeare's_Theatre,__500,_Rome
Leonardo's_Workshop,____360,_Rome
J._S._Bach's_Cathedral,
Isaac_Newton's_College,_320,_Rome
Adam_Smith's_Trading_Co.,_1300,_Canton
Darwin's_Voyage,________920,_Rome
Statue_of_Liberty,
Eiffel_Tower,___________1080,_Leipzig
Women's_Suffrage,
Hoover_Dam,
Manhattan_Project,
United_Nations,
Apollo_Program,
SETI_Program,
Cure_for_Cancer,

____________________Roman___Zulu____German__Egypt_
__Chinese_Greek___Indian
Advanced_Flight,____1360
Alphabet,___________-4000___-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?
Amphibious_Warfare,
Astronomy,__________-325____R40_____R-325___R80_____R120____R60_____R-150
Atomic_Theory,______500
Automobile,_________920
Banking,____________-425____R80_____R-425___R120____R-400___R60_____R-250
Bridge_Building,____E-50____R-25____R60_____-125____R160____R20_____R-25
Bronze_Working,_____-4000___-1150?__R-625___-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?
Ceremonial_Burial,__-3000___-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?__-1150?
Chemistry,__________160_____R160____R440____R160__
__R160____R160
Chivalry,___________780___________________________
__________*
Code_of_Laws,_______-3400___R-675___-1150?__R-975___R-1800__________R-25
Combined_Arms,
Combustion,_________920
Communism,__________Ge1460__________1200____*
Computers,__________1320
Conscription,_______600_____R640____R620____R720__
__________R640
Construction,_______C-2150__-1150?__R-825___-1150?__-2150?__R-1150__R-1850
The_Corporation,____820_____800
Currency,___________C-2800__R-675___R400____R-975___-2800?__________R-25
Democracy,__________-50_____R-25____R1______R60_____R80_____R60_____R-50
Economics,__________Ge200___________120_____R220__
__R220
Electricity,________560_____________R760____R760__
__________R660
Electronics,________1060
Engineering,________Gr-300__R-25____R40_____R100____R160____-325____R-225
Environmentalism,
Espionage,
Explosives,_________300_____________R440____R760__
__________R660
Feudalism,__________Ge620___________-1150?__R760____640_____R640
Flight,_____________1180
Fundamentalism,
Fusion_Power,
Genetic_Engineering,Ge1520
Guerrilla_Warfare,
Gunpowder,__________260_____R620____________R640__
__________R640
Horseback_Riding,___-3700___-1150?__R440____Z-1150__R-1800__-1150?__-1150?
Industrialization,__740_____________R740____R760
Invention,__________-125____R460____R360____R360____*_______R640
Iron_Working,_______H-2800__R-675___R-550___R-975___R-1800__R-1150__R-1850
Labor_Union,
The_Laser,__________1460
Leadership,_________1100
Literacy,___________-975____R-850___R-650___R-50____R-775___________R-75
Machine_Tools,______1220
Magnetism,__________440_____________R440____R760__
__________R640
Map_Making,_________Z-1150__-1150?__R-1150__-1150?__R-425___-1150?__-1150?
Masonry,____________-4000___R-675___R-1150__R-1050__R-2800__R-1050__R-25
Mass_Production,____940
Mathematics,________C-675___R180____R-525___R160____-700____R-300___R-275
Medicine,___________-175____R60_____R180____R140____R40-S___R60_____R-100
Metallurgy,_________340_____R400____R440____Z740__
__________R640
Miniaturization,____1280
Mobile_Warfare,
Monarchy,___________-2400___R-700___-1150?__R-975___R-2700__R-1050__R-325
Monotheism,_________________1530__________________
__________________*
Mysticism,__________I-1850__R-1150__R-575___-1150?__R-1800__-1150?__-1850?
Navigation,_________Ge360___R380____-175____R620____________R360
Nuclear_Fission,____980
Nuclear_Power,______1120
Philosophy,_________C-550___R-25____R-525___R-25____-700____R-300___R-300
Physics,____________380_____E740____360_____R660__
__________R660
Plastics,___________1500____________R1520-S
Polytheism,_________I-1850__R-1150__________R160____R160____R-25____-1850?
Pottery,____________Z-1150__-1150?__R-1150__R-975___R-925___R-1050__R-175
Radio,
Railroad,___________700_____R1420___R720____R740
Recycling,__________1020
Refining,___________900
Refrigeration,______620
The_Republic,_______-725____R-675___R-675___R1______R-675___R-300___Z-675
Robotics,___________1240
Rocketry,___________1360
Sanitation,_________200_____________R200____R200__
__R200____R660
Seafaring,__________Z-850___-875____R-800___R-850___R60_____R40_____R-350
Space_Flight,_______1420____________R1460-S
Stealth,
Steam_Engine,_______660_____________R680____R700__
__________R660
Steel,______________860
Superconductor,_____1520____________R1520
Tactics,____________1140____________R1460
Theology,
Theory_of_Gravity,__120_____________________R160__
__R160____R660
Trade,______________-1800___R-750___R-1150__R-975___R-950___R-1050__R-375
University,_________20______R20_____R20_____R20___
__R20_____R40
Warrior_Code,_______-4000___R-825___-1150?__R160____R-1800__-1150?__R-200
The_Wheel,__________H-3300__R-725___R-575___R-975___R-1800__R-1100__R-1150
Writing,____________-1300___R-675___________________R-975___R-1050__-1150?

Tribute:
________Zulu________German______Egyptian____Chines
e_____Greek_______Indian
- 2800_______________________________________War____
_____No
-2700_______________________________________Peace
- 2500_______________________________________No_____
_____War
- 2450______________________________________________
_____Peace
- 2150_______________________________________25_____
_____War_________50
- 2100______________________________________________
_____Peace
- 1850______________________________________________
_____No
-1800_______________________________________No
- 1700______________________________________________
_________________No
- 1500_______________________________________25_____
_____No__________No
- 1350_______________________________________25_____
_____50,_Sneak___No
- 1250___200________________________________________
_____Peace
- 1150_______________Maps________100________________
_________________Maps
-1100_______________Maps
- 1050_______________Maps____________________100____
_____No__________Maps
- 975________________Maps________Maps_______________
_____Maps________Maps
- 950____No__________Maps________Maps_______________
_____No__________Maps
- 925____25__________Maps________Maps________No_Maps
_____No__________Maps
- 875________________Maps________Maps________No_Maps
_____50__________Maps
- 850____25__________________________________50_____
_____War_________Maps
- 825____________________________Maps________No_Maps
_________________Maps
- 800____________________________25__________No_Maps
_____50__________Maps
- 775____25__________Maps________Maps_______________
_________________Maps
- 750________________Maps________Maps________No_Maps
_________________Maps
- 725________________Maps________Maps________No_Maps
_________________Maps
- 700________________Maps________Maps________No_____
_________________Maps
- 675____50______________________Maps_______________
_________________Maps
- 650____Maps____________________Maps________No_____
_____No__________Maps
- 625____Maps____________________Maps________No_____
_____No__________25
- 600____Maps____________________Maps________Withdra
w____War_________Maps
- 575____Maps____________________Maps________No_Maps
_________________Maps
- 550____Maps____________________Maps________Philoso
phy______________Maps
- 525____Maps____________________Maps________50_____
_____50__________Maps
- 500____Maps________Maps________25__________25_____
_________________Maps
- 475____Maps________Maps________Maps_______________
_________________Maps
-450____Maps________Maps________Maps________25
- 425____Maps____________________Maps_______________
_________________Maps
- 400____Maps________Maps________Maps_______________
_____War_________Maps
- 375____Maps________Maps________Maps________50_____
_____50
-350____25__________Maps________Maps________Maps
-325____________________________Maps________Maps
- 300____Maps________Maps________Maps________Maps___
_____Maps
-275____Maps________No_Alliance_Maps________Maps
-250____Maps________Maps________Maps________Maps
-225____Maps________Maps________Maps________50
-200____50__________Maps________25__________Maps
-175________________Maps________Maps________Maps
-150________________Maps________Maps________Maps
- 125________________Maps________Maps_______________
_________________50
- 100________________Maps________Maps________Maps___
_____25
-75_________________Maps________Maps________50
-50_________________Maps________Maps________Maps
- 25_____Maps________Maps____________________Maps___
_________________Maps
1_______Maps______________________________________
______25__________Maps
20________________________________________________
__________________Maps
40______________________________50__________Maps__
__________________Maps
60________________________________________________
______Maps________Maps
80__________________Maps__________________________
______Maps________Maps
100_____Maps________Maps__________________________
______No__________Maps
120_____25__________Maps__________________________
______No__________Maps
140_________________Maps__________________________
______No__________Maps
160_________________Maps________Maps________Maps__
__________________Maps
180_____Maps____________________Maps________Maps__
______25__________Maps
200_____Maps________No_Alliance___________________
__________________Maps
220_____Maps________Maps__________________________
__________________Maps
240_____No__________Maps________Maps________25____
__________________Maps
280_____No__________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________Maps
300_____No__________Maps____________________No
320_____No__________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
340_____No__________Maps________50__________No____
__________________Maps
360_________________No_Alliance_____________No____
______No__________Maps
380_________________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
400_____________________________Maps________No____
______No__________50
420_____25__________Maps________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
440_____25__________No_Alliance_Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
460_________________Maps________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
480_________________Maps________50__________No____
______No__________Maps
500_________________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________Maps
520_________________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________50
540_________________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________Maps
560_________________Maps________Maps________No____
______War_________Maps
580_____50__________Maps________No__________25____
__________________Maps
600_________________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
620_________________Maps____________________25____
__________________Maps
640_________________Maps____________________25____
______50,_Maps____Maps
660_____50__________Maps____________________No____
__________________Maps
680_____No______________________50__________No____
______No__________50
700_____No__________________________________No____
______No__________Maps
720_____No__________________________________No____
______No
740_____War_________________________________No____
______No__________Maps
760_____50______________________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
780_________________Maps________50__________No____
______No
800_________________Maps________Maps________No____
______25__________Maps
820_________________Maps________Maps________50____
______25__________Maps
840_________________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________Maps
860_________________No_Alliance_Maps________25____
__________________Maps
880_________________Maps________Maps________No____
______25__________Maps
900_________________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
920_________________Maps________Maps________25____
__________________Maps
940_____25__________Maps________Maps________No____
______25__________Maps
960_________________Maps________Maps________25____
__________________50
980_________________Maps________Maps
1000____25__________Maps________Maps______________
______No
1020________________Maps________Maps________No____
______War_________Maps
1040____25__________Maps________Maps________No____
______50
1060________________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
1080________________Maps________Maps________No____
__________________Maps
1100____No__________Maps________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
1120____No__________Maps________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
1140____No__________Maps________Maps________50____
______No__________Maps
1160____No__________Maps________50__________25____
______No__________50
1180____No__________Maps________Maps________25____
______No__________Maps
1200____No__________Maps________Maps________No____
______25__________Maps
1220____No__________Maps________Maps________No____
______25__________Maps
1240____25__________Maps________Maps________25____
______25__________Maps
1260____25__________Maps________Maps________No____
______No__________Maps
1280____25______________________No__________25____
______25__________
1300____No__________Maps________No_Maps_____No____
______No__________No
1320____25__________Maps________No_Maps_____No____
______25__________No_Maps
1340____No__________Maps________50__________No____
______No__________No
1360____25__________Maps________No__________No____
______50__________No
1380____25__________Maps________50__________No____
______No__________No
1400____No__________Maps________No__________No____
______No__________No
1420____War_________Maps________War_________War___
______
1440____50__________Maps____________________100___
______War_________War
1460________________Maps__________________________
______50__________50
1480________________Maps
1500________________Maps________50
1510____War_________Maps________War
1520________________Maps_________
1530________________Maps_________
1540________________Maps_________
1550____War_________Maps
1560____150_________Maps________War_________War___
______War_________War
1581____War_________300,_War

Contact:
-1150? Zulus, Indians - War
Egyptians, Indians - Peace
-1150 Egyptians, Zulus - War
60 Chinese, Greeks - War
540 Chinese, Greeks - Peace
740 Egyptians, Zulus - Peace
860 Zulus, Indians - Peace

Huts:
-3950 Archers (NONE)
-3650 50 Gold
-3300 The Wheel
-3100 Advanced Tribe (Cumae)
-2900 25 Gold
-2800 Iron Working
-2300 Nomads
-2100 Barbarian Horsemen
-1950 Advanced Tribe (Pisae)
-1500 Horsemen (NONE)
-900 Nomads
-825 Elephants (NONE)
200 Barbarian Horsemen *7

Launch: 1580

	16-11-1999 17:53									#2
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At Deity?
Large map?
40 000 ?
how many people at nations?
What you at the?
How long it clock?
What is you version?
What you say to helps these what can about chieftain and wery close 2000?

	16-11-1999 18:56									#3
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I got the log via mail and all I can say is WOW!

Great game (not to mention the work with the log, I hope you have a scanner or something )!

Carolus

[This message has been edited by Carolus Rex (edited November 16, 1999).]

	16-11-1999 18:57									#4
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Ottok,

Deity.
Small map.
10,000 colonists on spaceship.
Germany had 3 cities, I had about 150. I wiped out all the other civs while my spaceship was in flight.
???
It took about 30 hours and 3 weeks to play out this game. If I hadn't gotten lazy on my micromanagement, it would have taken a lot longer.
Version 2.42.
My answer to any question: ICS. Build lots of small cities with no improvements.

[This message has been edited by DaveV (edited November 16, 1999).]

	16-11-1999 20:24									#5
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This is impressive. From your previous games I knew ICS was an excellent strategy for conquering the world. I never thought it would be a great strategy for Alpha Centuri.

Congratulations.

	16-11-1999 20:58									#6
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How many turns did it take to build the ship? You didn't note the date of Apollo project.

On the other thread you said you only build trade caravans in your capitol. What did you build in the other cities? Only defensive units, food caravans?

How large did your other cities grow?

	17-11-1999 10:37									#7
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valmont,

You're right, there are several omissions in my log file. I built Apollo and discovered Fusion in AD 1540 (then set science to 0%). I already had 24 cities working on WS, and they switched over to spaceship parts (at no penalty - I was hoping it would work that way). It took me 4 turns to accumulate enough cash to build all the parts - another place where I could have done better by planning more carefully.

Other things I noticed should be in the file: I built SoL in AD 40, switched to Communism and never looked back. The barbarians wiped out two of my cities, Capua and Hispalis.

My supporting cities built warriors, horsemen, knights, riflemen, settlers/engineers, and caravans/freight. Late in the game, I had 24 cities working on WS and the rest on capitalization. I tried to build a food caravan in each city sitting on a grassland square; they could still support a settler even with -1 food.

My biggest city outside my capital in 1540 was size 5; I had a couple 4s and some 3s. Most were size 2, a few still size 1. No improvements in any of them. After 1580 I captured some big AI cities, and my existing cities grew bigger. In 1594 the cities ranged from size 1-8. Most were still size 2 or 3.

	18-11-1999 10:47									#8
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This is ridiculous; almost as ridiculous as landing in 1771 with one city. I'm not even going to try any more. I'll just content myself with multiplayer.

	19-11-1999 02:07									#9
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i try ask before DaveV, that what you people are think you rule?

it is higer than "Augustus"? aren´t?

	19-11-1999 03:36									#10
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DaveV - I think that ottok wants to know what your leadership rank was when the game ended... DaveV the Magnificient or Foolish or Unready etc.

	19-11-1999 05:54									#11
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ottok,

I was "the Just". Sorry, I didn't understand your question the first time.

	06-12-1999 02:46									#12
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Hoe do you make the log files? Do you need a special program for that?

	06-12-1999 17:32									#13
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MartinS,

No special program, just your favorite text editor. I have a blank file with the names of all the techs, wonders, and cities. Otherwise, it's a lot of typing. The hard part is remembering to Alt-Tab from the game to the editor when something happens.

	06-12-1999 17:55									#14
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Full respect Dave.

Is there a best date using non ICS for the rest of us to aspire to?

	07-12-1999 08:20									#15
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In my current game I have discover advanced flight in 1400. Only 40 years behind you. I will post when I complete the game.

	07-12-1999 17:10									#16
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I have been replaying Smash's OCC game some more times and managed to land in 1655.

	08-12-1999 09:19									#17
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Finish that game strong and landed in 1535. Posted a new thread about it.