21-11-2000 05:45									#1
	Gamespot review!!!!! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Only got a 7.2 on gamespot

Read about it here.
http://www.zdnet.com/gamespot/stori...2656251,00.html

	21-11-2000 05:55									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

on combat:

quote: The combat system is still hampered by the fact that you have no control over unit placement on the tactical screen, and that you are essentially reduced to being a spectator as the battle unfolds. Watching valuable units die because of seemingly random map placement can be frustrating

RANDOM??????

on unconvetional units:

quote: As before, there is such a wide variety of threats inherent in the endgame that it's impossible to defend against every one of them

which means: "i'm used to conventional war game and i'm too bored/unable to find new strategies for these new units"


message of the day: dont trust a review with a rating

	21-11-2000 06:02									#3
	Inflate your Upload Space

the more i read....

quote: However, removing the unit support considerations makes it far easier to wage war,

cost for unit support is still there...

quote: and with the 12-unit army system, Call to Power II (like its predecessor) replaces city micromanagement with army micromanagement

meanwhile, managing units and settlers in civ2 and smac was no micromanagment at all....

	21-11-2000 06:09									#4
	Increase Your PM Length

I don't get why people see Lawyer and Branches as so powerful. They are weak and easy to defeat. They just give a nice, different style of warfare. Too many narrow minded dumbasses just don't have the imagination to play a strategy game if it's not 100% focused on pure reality.
How anyone can put down the streamlining of CTP is beyond me. At the end of a Civ II game you had so many settlers, caravans and units going hither and thither that you could go insane trying to remember where they where all going and what they were doing. It was a nightmare. Any one that finds that fun I have just 3 letters for you. OCD! Get help now.
CTP II seems very nicely balanced from what I've played so far. I even think mod-ing this game could hurt. So what if the tech tree isn't 100% true to history! If it's for the good of game balance, let fascism come before democracy. Gameplay is more important than trying to cram EVERY tech and EVERY historical time period and unit that ever existed.

This brief rant was brought to you by the sucky reviewers at Gamespot
[This message has been edited by Mad-Kat (edited November 20, 2000).]

	21-11-2000 06:25									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Ok, I just went to Gamespot and gave CTP II a good rating. Everyone who likes CTP II get over to Gamespot give CTP II the review it deserves from the people who actually play it.
[This message has been edited by Mad-Kat (edited November 20, 2000).]

	21-11-2000 06:59									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I just gave it a good rating too. Of the 10 people who have rated it so far the average is 8.6, that sounds about right to me.

John-SJ

	21-11-2000 08:07									#8
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

About the random placement of units, I think that's half true. Sometimes a good job is done at placing your army in the correct position in relation to the enemy. While at other times it's like an idiot planned the attack - that's when you end up with your flanking units in the middle your front line (lambs to the slaughter?).

	21-11-2000 08:48									#9
	Inflate your Upload Space

perhaps this is a realistic approach, its not like military history hasn't been chock full of great strategic manuevers, as well as plenty of boneheaded mistakes. I guess the crappy thing if it is random, is that you have no control. I would think as long as it is better more often than not, that would be historically accurate I am dying to know if i should buy the game. The review scared me but MarkG's rebuttal sounds great as well. I really disliked the first one???????
[This message has been edited by Mercantile (edited November 20, 2000).]

	21-11-2000 08:53									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Hmmm, I guess I'll wait for other reviews in deciding to get CtP2. I always trust Gamespot as they've never been wrong in the reviews for games that I own.

And 7.2 isn't a bad score people... better than the 6.5 CtP got .

	21-11-2000 09:10									#11
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

WOW!!! After 19 reader reviews the score stands at 8.8. Talk about power to the people! I can't seem to find the link to read them though.... strange.

	21-11-2000 09:22									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

That is because there haven't been any written reviews that passed muster (100 words, etc).

	21-11-2000 09:24									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I woudn't take Gamespot very seriously if I were you. Their reviews are biased towards large and 'popular' developers (Diablo 2) and they deviate their opinion from the crowd. They have writtin awful reviews of games, giving high marks to 'not so hot' games just to satisfy the hype (Red Alert2, Tiberium Sun).

	21-11-2000 09:32									#14
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Well all I know is that they gave a higher mark to Icewind Dale over Diablo 2, which I definetly agreed with (Diablo 2 actually didn't get a great rating).

And your remarks are simply wrong!
http://www.zdnet.com/gamespot/filte...,196969,00.html

Tiberian Sun got a 7.9, which is not good at all!!

I like that you are trying to defend your game, but defaming a well known site is below you.

I consider Gamespot and PC.IGN as my sources to if I should buy a game if there is no demo and they have never failed me.

	21-11-2000 10:09									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Hmm. Pc.ign has panned it as well. 6/10 http://pc.ign.com/reviews/14118.html

Though reading the review I seriously wonder how long the reviewer has played the game.

	21-11-2000 10:33									#16
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Well thus far for me Gamespot liked the game ALOT more than I do. I would give it a 5.0 on their scale. I am not giving up though, still playing it to see if it grows on me at all.

	21-11-2000 10:53									#18
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Havin read many many reviews in my time, I now have come to the conclusion that :-
Any reviewer with a "taste" for the type of game reviewed will lean towards a higher score (Yes i know they claim to be impartial,but has anyone ever met a TRULY impartial person?) Hence i long ago concluded that if any game belongs to a genre I enjoy and I like the way it looks i'll buy and give it every chance.I liked CTP and so far I like CTPII it appears to have progressed.The developement team listened to the players and worked in the most popular requests.Games like any software evolve and providing the developers listen to the players,I for one will buy and play their games so viva CTPIII and until then CTPII is the game of choice.

	21-11-2000 11:29									#21
	Inflate your Upload Space

I am completely unbiased!

7.9 is still a high mark for TS, it deserved a 5! Diablo2 also...

	21-11-2000 23:24									#23
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Why go to gamespot and those places that play a game for 2 days and write a dumbass review ? Listen to them are not wise. Turn to the sites that review games for 2 weeks and are competent. Like Strategy Games Plus (their old name) www.cdmag.com, they are by far the best reviewers I have seen on the web.

	21-11-2000 23:44									#24
	Tired of ads?

Well, Gamespot gave Diablo 2 a 8.7 (I think), which is a score I would have given it. Fun game, but gets boring. 7.1 isn't bad. It just means it is an average game, nothing special...

And I still respect and hold Gamespot as the standard all reviewers should emulate. Btw, what is that sense in releasing a review 2 weeks after the game comes out?! Reviews are meant for guides on whether or not to buy a game, so they should come out as soon as possible. And remember they got the games first (even as much as a week before).

	21-11-2000 23:54									#25
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

[quoteSo what if the tech tree isn't 100% true to history! If it's for the good of game balance, let fascism come before democracy. Gameplay is more important than trying to cram EVERY tech and EVERY historical time period and unit that ever existed.

[/quote]

Didnt fascism really come before democracy? Im pretty sure it did. Anyway whats wrong with having fascism in the game? not all fascist governments were raceist(like spains)

	22-11-2000 02:47									#30
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Hey, MarkG,

There's one I've missed, how do I set the rules that determine battle tactics? THANKS!

John-SJ