01-12-2000 02:21									#1
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ok, i am eviently doing somehting wrong, but not sure what. for some reason i cant get my artillary onto my cargo helicopter. i tried in/outside of cities, with/without units asleep, un/grouped, and i even tried it with the "load cargo" button. but all i keep getting is an empty helicopter or a piano key chime for it being an invalid action. what gives?

	01-12-2000 19:39									#2
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I think I remember reading somewhere that the cargo helicopter can only carry infantry troops. Sorry, you can't airdrop those tanks just yet...

	04-12-2000 02:37									#3
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It is depending on the size. Artillery is medium. Cargo Helicopter can only carry small. For some strange reson a tank is small, probly a bugg..

/Mathias

	06-12-2000 10:58									#4
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you can only load infantry - no artillery, no tanks, no horse riders

	06-12-2000 11:29									#5
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Whether Tanks should load is arguable. Somehow I think that was a mistake in the Units.txt file. But it says Tanks are a 'Small' land unit, and thus can ride in the choppers. I do it all the time.

	06-12-2000 21:09									#6
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Yeah, I thought tanks wouldn't load either from what I had read here. Surprise, surprise, I've got a cargo heli with 4 tanks on board as we speak... They inadvertently got picked up because they were asleep in the city that built the heli! I know settlers work too!

	07-12-2000 07:02									#7
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If you think about it one of those big weirdy shaped mother****ers of helicopters was specially modified to carry 3 M1Abrams during the Desert Storm.

where'd I hear that



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	01-01-1970 05:00									#8
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	02-12-2000 00:37									#9
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I was wondering if the production from empty queues:

1) Accumulates

2) Goes to military support (a la franchises, from what I have read somewhere)

3) Is wasted.

(1) should be easy to test, but I'm at work (your tax $$ at play). I did see, I think, accumulated production from a queue in a just-captured city, so seemingly empty queues might accumulate.

(2) Would kinda make sense, and so is probably wrong.

(3) If this is the case, we ought to get a pop-up message every turn, or even at the end of the turn.

	03-12-2000 09:26									#10
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haven't got the game but i have heard it's just wasted.
checkhttp://apolyton.net/forums/Forum43/HTML/000146.html?3

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	07-12-2000 10:00									#11
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nothing accrues- nada- just like when a wonder is built by someone other than you- all those turns are wasted unless you stick another wonder right under the one you are trying to build. You may want to put a mayor on there are when you can use captialization it will accrue cash or int. accrues PW.

	01-01-1970 05:00									#12
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	02-12-2000 18:57									#13
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Ok, this is what the manual says (p26)

quote: As a city grows in population, its area of influence will eventually spread out even further, as much as two more tiles in every direction for extremely large cities.

so this is meant to mean that the city influence will extend three tiles from the city yes?

but, also from the manual (p27)

quote: Also keep in mind that a city's area of influence can expand considerably over the span of time. Although they may start of small and remain so for hundreds of years, eventually cities may grow to control every terrain tile within a five-tile radius of the city centre!

this seems to suggest that it will extend five tiles from the city?!?

As I am too impatient to wait until I have played a couple of games through to find out which is the truth can some one else please help me so I can plan where to put my cities - how large an area of influence do they get

Just the first in a long line of queries I am sure to have.

	02-12-2000 23:12									#14
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your city's tile influence grows with it's pop size. it's eventual size depends on your borders (marked in blue...) if you have no other cities close enough to infringe on your borders, it should very large. your first increase should come at pop 8 or thereabouts.

	03-12-2000 06:02									#15
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size 7= 2 tiles
size 19= 3 tiles
size 30something= 4 tiles

at around city size 60 the city takes up just about all of the national border.

Smooshies

	03-12-2000 10:23									#16
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Yeah, I've noticed the border doesn't change when the cities area of influence changes. So the border is four tiles away, and the city can grow to fill the border

So the manual isn't right in any place, the city influence max is four tiles, not three or five?

	05-12-2000 07:29									#17
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I think it's something like:
------545------------------------------------
-----54345-----------------------------------
----5432345---------------------------------- ---543212345--------------------------------- ---432101234--------------------------------- ---543212345--------------------------------- ----5432345---------------------------------- -----54345----------------------------------- ------545------------------------------------

Thats probably wrong i remember 5 as only affecting 3 tiles each corner but there's definetly 5 and 5 only affects the corners
this is ****ed up because of the posting system thing try to figure it out

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	05-12-2000 23:10									#18
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code:

------545------------------------------------
-----54345-----------------------------------
----5432345---------------------------------- 
---543212345--------------------------------- 
---432101234--------------------------------- 
---543212345--------------------------------- 
----5432345---------------------------------- 
-----54345----------------------------------- 
------545------------------------------------

	06-12-2000 04:31									#19
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OK, so the max radius is basically four, but because for some reason diagonals are counted as two not one you can claim that the influence can reach five tiles away.


so instead of
--111--
--101--

I guess the reasoning is that because the diagonal length is longer then the model should be

--212--
--101--

It's not that big a hassle in the game, now that I have been playing a bit and so have a better feel for the cities and their growth but its just one of those things that make learning the game more frustrating than fun, with a manual that is so bad. Why couldn't they just say the influence will reach a four tile radius if that is the case.

	07-12-2000 03:24									#20
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I played around a bit with the lines

BORDER_INT_RADIUS 4
BORDER_SQUARED_RADIUS 20

in ctp2_data\default\gamedata\const.txt

as well as the SquaredRadius setting in citysizeX.txt

This in order to test different city influence settings and discovered the following:

first off.. the border_int_radius seems to do nothing (at least not that affects gameplay, I could be wrong though, correct me if so)

The border_squared_radius is interesting, corresponding the SquaredRadius in the citysizeX.txt determines which squares belong to a city influence.

I found out the following:

code:

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-----JHGHJ-----
----IFEDEFI----
---JFCBABCFJ---
---HEB000BEH---
---GDA0x0ADG---
---HEB000BEH---
---JFCBABCFJ---
----IFEDEFI----
-----JHGHJ-----
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code:

SquaredRadius     Letter
0-3               0
4                 A
5-7               B
8                 C
9                 D
10-12             E
13-15             F
16                G
17                H
18-19             I
20-24             J

(Yes, I restarted the game MANY times )

You can enter larger numbers in the citysizeX.txt, but make sure the BORDER_SQUARED_RADIUS is at least as large as the largest citysize. Don't know if the game will crash but it's illogical

Btw, does anyone know why there are 6 citysize files containing the same data?

Anyway, I hope someone has any use for this!